The Living 4D Podcast
JW joins the Living 4D Podcast and extreme sports star Danny Way to talk about how he's developed, launched and sold his successful line of plant-based products.
Episode Transcript
Speaker 0 00:00:00 In that process, I finally found the two magic ones, the right kaba and the right prum that when they go together, they do something magic. Yes, they, they, they dance. They're, they're doing either one of 'em by themselves or doing any of the other strains by themselves of either one of the two substances. Does not give the same feeling that you get from these two when they're dancing together.
Speaker 2 00:00:31 Welcome to Living 4D with Paul. Check today's guests, uh, Jerry W. Ross and Danny Way. JW is a lifelong innovator and investor in the international business and financial worlds. He has been recognized for his expertise in the development of institutional strategies and his research on the future of capitalism and long-term value creation, as well as his innovative approaches to scaling business. All address issues of both social and economic value. Danny Way is an American professional skateboarder, company owner and rally cross driver, who has been awarded Thrasher Magazine's Skater of the Year Award twice. He is known for extreme stunts, such as jumping into a skateboard ramp from a helicopter, and he has been credited for pioneering mega ramps, including one that he used to jump the Great Wall of China on a skateboard.
Speaker 3 00:01:28 Well, hello and welcome to Living 4D with me, Paul Czech. Today we take a deep and beautiful dive into the chemistry of freedom with Jerry Ross, founder of Botanic Tonics and my longtime friend and client Danny Way, one of the world's most accomplished athletes, X game stars holder of many Guinness Booka world records in skateboarding, including Jumping the Great Wall of China on his skateboard Over the now 27 years, Danny Way and I have been working together to optimize his health and performance. He has come across various products, projects, and ways of enhancing health, vitality and performance, and shared them with me to get my opinion. I'm always 100% honest with him and he always appreciates that. A few months ago, Danny asked to meet with me to share some amazing new products that he felt compelled to use and get involved in sharing as widely as possible due to his very positive experiences with him.
Speaker 3 00:02:19 The products are an amazing shamonic mix of kava, krato, and coconut milk called Feel Free by Botanic Tonics, the company Jerry Ross founded to make and distribute the product. My experience with Feel Free was in all actuality, mind blowing. I really felt that feel free is a gift to humanity at this time in our evolution and has the ability to help us heal a tremendous amount of anxiety, depression, and self-generated fear. Danny also gave me several flavors of Jerry Ross's gak drinks. Gak is an amazing fruit grown in Southeast Asia and Northeastern Australia. It has no sugar and an amazing combination of fats, proteins, and essential nutrients that, that make it like no other fruit known. To date, I was quite impressed with the natural flavor of the drinks. It wasn't a Swedish commercial candy drink, like most of them out there. And he uses all organic ingredients in his G drinks and in Feel free, which is important to me.
Speaker 3 00:03:14 In this exciting, informative podcast, we not only explore, feel free in its many benefits and possibilities and the G drinks and what they can offer you. We begin with a biographical overview of Jerry's life. I think learning from Jerry's life is a gift to us all. Jerry is a very financially successful man, yet he beautifully shares how he got caught in the money trap and the trap of do, do, do at the expense of his own being. This conversation with Jerry Ross and Danny Way is illuminating on many levels and not only offers you some excellent new products to enhance your life and help create wellbeing. There's a lot of amazing conversation on nutrition, what it's like to live in the body of an extreme sports athlete at the elite level. And dialogue exchanges on the very real issues of what I feel to be important at this time in life and are sure to speak to your soul. Enjoy Jerry Ross Danny Way, botanic tonics and learning all about the amazing Gruit. Hello everybody. Welcome to Living for D with Paul Czech. Today I have two very interesting, beautiful men in the house. One you've heard from before, Danny Way, the amazing superstar that has set many, many Guinness Booker world records on a skateboard and who I have a long history with. We are Soul brothers. Welcome to the House. Danny, welcome to the Rainbow.
Speaker 4 00:04:31 Thanks for having me. Appreciate
Speaker 3 00:04:33 It. And Jerry Ross, who, Jerry I met you, uh, a few months ago. That's
Speaker 0 00:04:37 Correct.
Speaker 3 00:04:38 And Danny, who always brings me amazing things, got a hold of me and said, Paul, I got something you gotta try. And so far, every time Danny said that, my life changed for the better <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:04:49 Don't listen to all my advice,
Speaker 0 00:04:51 <laugh>. That's that's, that's an understatement. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:04:54 So far it's been good though, Danny.
Speaker 4 00:04:56 I mean, well, we're lucky on that. Sad.
Speaker 3 00:04:58 Yeah. He's never brought me anything that I was, what, what are you wasting my time with that for? So, Danny brought me an amazing product called Feel Free, which we will talk about in more detail in the show. I'll save the surprise, uh, for what feel Free really does when we get to that part of it. But, uh, feel Free is made by a company named Botanic Tonics, which is owned by Jerry Ross. So Jerry, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 0 00:05:24 Thanks for having
Speaker 3 00:05:25 Me. It's a pleasure. And Jerry Jerry's like my age. I think you and I are about a year apart, right? That's correct. And him and I are up with Danny, listen, lifting and the old men are lifting pretty good today.
Speaker 0 00:05:35 We were lifting good today.
Speaker 3 00:05:36 We did, we did a beautiful big stack and, uh, me and me and Jerry are picking up the big stones out there
Speaker 0 00:05:43 And really enjoyed that.
Speaker 3 00:05:44 It's fun. Hey? Yeah. Barefoot. We did some tai chi together. Yeah. Taught you a couple of Paul check Tai chi moves.
Speaker 0 00:05:50 Yeah. Something I'll continue to do.
Speaker 3 00:05:53 And, uh, Danny was busy dealing with emergencies on his cell phone. Well, we did, did the Tai Chi, but that's okay.
Speaker 4 00:05:58 You know, sometimes that happens.
Speaker 3 00:06:00 <laugh>, we were, we were sending you love.
Speaker 4 00:06:02 I appreciate, uh, you know, I I was, I was engaged, but outta one eye for a second, but
Speaker 3 00:06:09 Yeah. Yeah. Good. It's all right. Life is, uh, life, right? He gotta roll with the punches. So anyhow, Jerry, uh, uh, Danny brought me feel free to try and, and it was just a mind blowing experience. I'm like, wow. And I immediately, I could see a huge application, especially in this covid kind of environment where people in isolation and there's a lot of social violence and suicide happening, and people trapped inside of themselves. And I was actually so frigging impressed with that stuff. I got ahold of Danny and said, wow, I'm definitely into this. Whatever's going on, I wanna know more about it. So then Danny connected me to Jerry. Jerry brought me not only some fuel free, but a bunch of his other drinks, which also turned out to be really high quality. So as I got talking to Jerry, I found out we share a lot of the same values on food and on health and on life.
Speaker 3 00:07:03 And I thought, okay, well, the universe is doing its magic and Danny's, you know, pollinating the flowers here and making all of this thing happen. And so from talking to Jerry and getting to know him better and learning more about the drinks and trying 'em, he gave us a bunch. We've given away a lot of people, and so far I've had nothing but great feedback. Um, and so today I'd like to really just have a chance to share Jerry and Danny with you guys and talk about our experiences with these products because they're really something special. So Jerry, um, what I'd like to do to start with is if you could just give us a bit of a biographical overview of your life and what ultimately led you to be so interested in health and then, and, and creating botanic tonics and these products. Because, uh, you know, from what I understand, you come from an oil industry background, which it's
Speaker 0 00:07:57 Been a, uh, quite
Speaker 3 00:07:58 A, quite a big shift there.
Speaker 0 00:07:59 Pardon? It's been a very long, strange trip, as you say, <laugh>
Speaker 3 00:08:03 <laugh>. I'm glad you ended up at the Rainbow House. Yeah, exactly. Stacking rope with me and Danny
Speaker 0 00:08:07 Of all people. Exactly.
Speaker 3 00:08:08 How's that for a wild and wonderful. We we're, we're cleaning up the oil money now,
Speaker 0 00:08:13 <laugh>. Exactly. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 00:08:15 So give us a, give us a ride. How, how did Jerry come to the planet and what happened?
Speaker 0 00:08:21 So, um, I grew up in, uh, Texas and, um, my family was, uh, a very distant family. Uhhuh,
Speaker 3 00:08:31 <affirmative>, you know, that deal.
Speaker 0 00:08:32 Um, and, uh, I, I don't blame my parents for it because that's just the way that our family had always been, uh, for generations. Um, and I never really connected at all with my family. Um, by the time I was 17, I moved out and I never really looked back.
Speaker 3 00:08:52 We're parallel in that way. I mean, I love my family members, but I've, our kids never connected and bonded. It was, we were just like a bunch of individuals living in the same house doing farm
Speaker 0 00:09:04 Work, <laugh>. So with that void in my life and, and not really learning young how to really interact with people or have a motion, um, I kind of went off on my own path. And, um, fortunately I found, um, uh, weightlifting at a very early age. I started, I started when I was, uh, 14 years old.
Speaker 3 00:09:26 Me too. 12. We, you and I are parallel. I gotta, I have to show you a picture of me when I was 12 or 13. You'll, you'll see someone that's been lifting some weights, <laugh>.
Speaker 0 00:09:33 So there was a neighborhood gym and, uh, started going and there was a group of, uh, professional power lifters there. And they started me, you know, at that young of age, you know, training for competitive power lifting. And by the time I was 17, 18 years old, I was competing on a national level and
Speaker 3 00:09:50 Tell us, tell tell 'em some of your lifts cuz this is drug free too. And this guy was freaking strong.
Speaker 0 00:09:56 So I weighed, I weighed, normally I would weigh around 2 35, 2 40. And I competed in the two 20 division. And, uh, the best list I did of a remember are about 6 45 on du on, uh, squat four 60 bench. And, um, about a 6 25 deadlift
Speaker 3 00:10:18 That
Speaker 0 00:10:18 Stand. Good. But at, but at that age, that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 3 00:10:21 That's pretty impressive. It's impressive at any age really. And you know, you, we are, you know, I'm right on the door of 60, I'm 59. You're 58, right? 58. And we were pump pumping some fricking 200 pounders out there today. A hundred, hundred 8,200 pound stones and putting 'em up high.
Speaker 0 00:10:36 It's amazing after what all I put my body through that, uh, I'm still able to do that. But one thing I've always, I not only got into the weightlifting, but I got into a really very strict diet. Um, and I, I ate, you know, a hundred percent natural. And, um, you know, that always was kind of something I, I would, when I'd get off track, I'd kind of center back to,
Speaker 3 00:11:00 You can feel it once you've done it and you've lived well and balance right. You know, had a healthy diet and you go off it's a week or two and you start feeling like crap. Did you notice that?
Speaker 0 00:11:09 I noticed that. And I also, um, you know, I, I lifted every day or did some type of exercise every day and I have ever since.
Speaker 3 00:11:17 So you got a measuring
Speaker 0 00:11:18 Stitch. And, and I, you know, if I didn't, you know, again, if I strayed away from that, I started feeling, you know, strange mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, and that's really probably considering all the other things that I wound up doing is what kept me alive.
Speaker 3 00:11:29 Yeah. Yeah. You know what, there's nothing more important than a healthy ritual. I think all of us at the table. I know Danny is very much like me, good food, time to be with himself, you know, adequate sleep. You getting good sleep now.
Speaker 0 00:11:46 It's a very important piece of the
Speaker 3 00:11:48 Puzzle for sure. I remember when I first started working with you, when you were 19, you used to bring me all these pictures of you, you partying all night with all these beautiful girls, <laugh>. I was like,
Speaker 4 00:11:55 You know, it comes with the territory being young and enabled to do that, having, you know, a career that, you know, is, was global and being, you know, exposed to a lot of that. You know, as a kid it's hard to say. No,
Speaker 3 00:12:08 No, it's hard to say no. Yeah. So, uh, I remember when, when Danny was 19 and he would show me these pictures of him and all these Playboy bunny girls. Yeah. Having a hell of a good time. I said, Danny, you know, you're only 19. What? By the time you're 35, you're gonna have to get into some weird shit. Cuz you've already done everything that you're not supposed to get into until you're in your thirties <laugh>. Oh, that's, he's good. No problem. <laugh>.
Speaker 4 00:12:29 Yeah. There's a time of place you gotta reel it back in. But it's fun why it lasts and, you know, it's part of growing up.
Speaker 3 00:12:34 Yeah. It, it is. And, and I guess maybe I haven't grown up yet. I'm just trying
Speaker 4 00:12:39 <laugh> Yeah. I mean we, I mean, I guess that's a figure of speech, but the goal is to never grow up
Speaker 3 00:12:44 <laugh>. Yeah, it is. It is. Yes. And and thus Jerry's product feel free. Right? Yeah. There you go. And a lot of people need to feel free. But, uh, anyhow, Jerry had, not to stop your story, but you know, what you were talking about is very important and that is the grounding ritual. Right. That becomes your base. You know, I don't think you can do good creative thinking or develop anything meaningful in your life that doesn't consume you if you don't have a grounding ritual. I watch, you know, I work with a lot of very successful executives, high flyers entrepreneurs, people with a lot of money, and they've made a lot of money, but they end up feeling so lousy and often get stuck in states of depression and anxiety. And they end up spending tons of their time and money trying to figure out what's wrong with them.
Speaker 3 00:13:30 But ultimately it boils back to me having to take them back to real food, learning to breathe again, learning to center themselves, calm themselves, some form of meditation technique That's right. For that mindset that they carry, which would, you know, if they're monkey minded, then I give 'em a dynamic meditation. But, uh, and getting them into to some kind of a, a proper fitness routine so that they start to reengage their bodies and, and, you know, all of us here at the table all lived that from the beginning. So we're very tuned to what happens when the needle gets too far from center. You really are aware of it, but a lot of people, they, they don't know they're off center until they, someone tells 'em they got cancer or something. Right. And that's a bad way to find out that you, uh, missed the boat on holistic health, for sure.
Speaker 0 00:14:16 Right, right.
Speaker 3 00:14:17 So tell us the rest of your story. I
Speaker 0 00:14:19 Wanna hear it. Rest story. Well, this, this is where, where it gets, uh, stranger, so
Speaker 3 00:14:22 Oh, good, good.
Speaker 0 00:14:23 <laugh>, I, uh, again, very independent. Uh, I did pretty well in, in high school, um, you know, didn't really try that hard mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, I had then started, you know, experimenting with, you know, marijuana and some other things mm-hmm. <affirmative> and drinking and, and started, uh, you know, enjoying that part of life more mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah. Chasing girls, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that's all that. And, uh, I do that this would've, this was in the early eighties, uh, and then the area of the country I was in, you know, we were in a oil, you know, oil pro, oil and gas exploration area mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I started, you know, and the jobs were extremely lucrative, even the field jobs. Yes. So I've went straight out into, uh, the oil fields, uh, started out at the very lowest level and, um, started making, you know, for that time and for no, you know, college education started making, you know, really good money.
Speaker 3 00:15:19 Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:15:21 Um, that fueled more of, you know, the partying and the girls mm-hmm. <affirmative> and all of that. And
Speaker 3 00:15:27 Pushing the needle off center
Speaker 0 00:15:29 A bit. The the things. And that kind of took front center of what I had been doing before of the working out and the health and all of that. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I would still do it. Yeah. But I wasn't doing it to the level that, you know, I was doing it before. Yeah. Um, and, um, I kept having more and more success. Um, I actually formed my own company, uh, that company developed. And by the time I was in my mid twenties, I was a multimillionaire.
Speaker 3 00:15:59 Wow. So a drilling company. Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna ask if you became a driller. Yeah. Cause that's, you know, that's the top of the pile really, unless you own the rate. Right.
Speaker 0 00:16:06 So it's interesting because I actually noticed that some of the things we were going out and drilling when I was working for a contractor, that they would plug the whales even though they were economic because they were waiting to get their partners out and then would come back. Oh, <laugh>. So I saw some opportunity to go in and take some of those leases that I already knew
Speaker 3 00:16:26 Were just sitting there.
Speaker 0 00:16:27 Were just sitting there and redrilled them. Ah. And that's how I started.
Speaker 3 00:16:31 That's great.
Speaker 0 00:16:33 So, um, from that through the early nineties was a period of just unbelievable expansion and unbelievable amount of money, uh, the big house. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the cars, planes, all that kind of stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:16:51 Toys.
Speaker 0 00:16:52 And the toys. And, um, I was fortunate enough in the early nineties I was traveling quite a bit and, um, I went to the Pacific Islands mm-hmm. <affirmative> specifically Vanuatu. Tona. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, uh, I did a all night ceremony with a village chief and a, and a bunch of man, uh, for Cabo mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, um, it was probably one of my first experiences, what I would say, you know, not more so of a man-made drug mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, not a man processed drug. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:17:29 Something
Speaker 0 00:17:29 From nature. It was a, it was a wonderful experience. Yeah. It reminded me of, you know, the experience. I felt like first time I took a drink or something like
Speaker 3 00:17:39 That. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:17:40 And it, it, you know, to me it was about, again, the, the anxiety, the social, you know, that I didn't learn when I was young. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> of these substances allowed me to, you know, connect Yeah. Or feel like I was connecting.
Speaker 3 00:17:55 Yeah. And it, it sounds to me like it was a ceremony as well, so it wasn't just a bunch of people trying some new drug. It was a ceremonial situation.
Speaker 0 00:18:02 Yeah. That, in, in Cabo, you know, it's been around thousands of years Yeah. In Pacific Islands. And, and that's the way that they use it. They use it in, uh, you know, ceremonial gatherings mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, the men. It's, it's normally just men Mm. That gather, you know, in a, in a hut mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, um, you know, younger and older mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And they, you know, they bond with each other and they bond through passing the cup around. Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:18:27 I did my first time in Fiji, we were on vacation in Fiji, oh, I don't know, long time ago when I had hair on my head. Um, probably 15 or 20 years ago. But, uh, so I got that sort of native experience in the, from the Fiji and, and it was an interesting experience. It's, uh, uh, remember, all I remember is that the kava tasted like dirt water,
Speaker 0 00:18:48 <laugh>. It, it, uh, has a very unpleasant taste to it. <laugh>. Yeah. Yeah. Very unpleasant.
Speaker 3 00:18:53 You have to really learn to drink a lot of that
Speaker 0 00:18:55 <laugh> when you're, when you're sitting there though, and they're clapping and it gets past to you and everybody's looking at you <laugh>.
Speaker 3 00:19:00 It's when the manhood
Speaker 0 00:19:01 Comes up, the manhood has to come out no matter how bad it tastes. Yeah. It
Speaker 3 00:19:05 Sounds like an you
Speaker 0 00:19:05 Sure don't ceremony. You sure don't wanna throw it back up in front of everybody. So
Speaker 3 00:19:09 <laugh>, oh, that sh shrinks your manhood right there,
Speaker 0 00:19:13 Doesn't it? Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:19:14 <laugh>. So, uh, it sounds to me like that created an opening for you. So what, how'd that progress? That
Speaker 0 00:19:20 That was an isolated event mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but it stuck in my mind. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I went back to primarily alcohol, <laugh> a very highly processed, you know, uh, drug. Yes. And, um, it became more and more of my life mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And as it became more, more my life, it, it took other things away from me. Yeah. And, you know, uh, I think the climax point was I was sitting by myself one night a party at, at my house, 350 people mm-hmm. <affirmative>, 17,000 square foot house. Wow. That's great. And I was sitting in the bedroom by myself, and I felt like the, the loneliest person in the world
Speaker 3 00:20:01 Reminds me. I just watched documentary on Prince's life, you know, the musician prince. Yeah. And very sad story, but he really was unable to hold relationships with people. And he built this 50,000 square foot home right. In Minneapolis, right. In his own recording studio and kind of like, so
Speaker 0 00:20:19 He just got away from
Speaker 3 00:20:21 Everybody. He just walled himself off in there. Right. And, uh, it sounds kind of similar.
Speaker 0 00:20:25 What's that? And you know, by then I'd built up such a, um, a plethora of people Yeah. And things and all that, and servicing all that, and the, the overhead and the just, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it just, uh, was overwhelming. And that just, and I kept just kind of shrinking away from it.
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Speaker 4 00:21:54 They become prisoner to your assets. You
Speaker 0 00:21:56 Do become, become chains.
Speaker 3 00:21:58 They become chains.
Speaker 4 00:21:59 Yeah. All in chains. Yeah. Expensive ones too.
Speaker 0 00:22:01 And, and, and what I didn't understand at that time was the, the difference between admiring and desiring.
Speaker 3 00:22:07 Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 0 00:22:08 Because, you know, good point. I would have a Picasso hanging on the wall and would walk by it every day and not even look at it.
Speaker 3 00:22:15 <laugh>. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:22:16 <laugh>. It's, I mean, so you know it once you own it. Yeah. It's hard to get the appreciation out of it is you would if you're seeing it somewhere and admiring
Speaker 3 00:22:24 It. You know how I cured that problem painted myself? No. Now when, now when I walk by my paintings, I, they all have an experie have a memory to it attached to, it's like, I know exactly the state of mind I was in, why I was painting it, or what was the spiritual ceremony such as a New Year's mandala, or there's always something moving through me. So each one of them is sort of like looking at a page of my life, like looking at my own mythology. So there's, that's what, you know what I wanna do, Jerry, I want to invite you here. I'm doing it right now to come paint with me. Okay. I'll do that. And I promise you you'll have an experience. It's very,
Speaker 0 00:23:04 It's something I've never done before.
Speaker 3 00:23:05 Awesome. Let me break. Let me take your, your painting virginity from you. Okay. I'll paint with you too. Danny,
Speaker 0 00:23:12 Have you done
Speaker 4 00:23:13 This yet? I've done Mindalas with Paul before.
Speaker 3 00:23:15 Have we? Oh, yes, we have. Yeah. Yeah. I've got some video of me and you doing 'em in the gym actually.
Speaker 4 00:23:19 Yeah. I actually have one that's like, not finished, but I still have it. It's, it's, you know, when I look at it, I'm like, wow, I actually created that. Yeah. Cool. But definitely in a lot of my artistic, I think view on it was inspired by kind of seeing what you had going on and, you know,
Speaker 3 00:23:36 Good. I forgot about, you know, me and I, you and I have been doing stuff together for so long, it's like, uh, shit. You were 19. How old are you now? Uh,
Speaker 4 00:23:45 46.
Speaker 3 00:23:46 Wow. So you and I have been hanging out for 27 years. Yep. That's wild, man.
Speaker 0 00:23:51 That's a long time.
Speaker 3 00:23:52 It is. That's a long time. It is. That's as long as a lot of people have been alive on this planet. True. So, yeah. So yeah, Jerry, you know, that's, it's amazing to, to see this because a lot of the people I work with, you know, they come to me in the throes of where you were at when you're sitting in the room and it's like, okay, I'm trapped in my success.
Speaker 0 00:24:11 <laugh>. Well, at that point, you know, I had been able to pretty much achieve everything that I wanted to achieve. Yeah. You know, with the lifting and, you know, especially with the career. Yeah. You know, I was doing more than I'd ever dreamed that I would do, but I, you know, I wasn't happy and at the same time I was drinking more and more mm-hmm. <affirmative> and all the effects from that and things, like I said, started falling apart. Yeah. And, um, it accumulated with that point I told you that I was sitting and, and some pressure from other people, you know, that cared about me. Yes. And I went off to treatment.
Speaker 3 00:24:45 Oh, good.
Speaker 0 00:24:46 So I did a, uh, a long-term inpatient treatment, uh, in Atlanta mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, facility that does, they primarily do, uh, doctors and airplane pilots of all things.
Speaker 3 00:24:57 Yes. Well, there's plenty of those that have drinking
Speaker 0 00:24:59 Problems. Very, very interesting stories. Yes.
Speaker 3 00:25:01 I'm sure <laugh> <laugh> make me want to be nervous about getting on an
Speaker 0 00:25:05 Airplane. I bet. No, no doubt. Yes. No doubt. Or having surgery.
Speaker 3 00:25:09 Yes, yes. Yes.
Speaker 0 00:25:10 Well, anesthesiologists using their own, you know, and taking it from the patient.
Speaker 3 00:25:14 Yes. Oh, wow. Yeah. I love, you know, I can't mention names, but I've worked with plenty of doctors in my career that had some very deep and interesting challenges along those lines. So, um, hip to it all. But the secret is don't go to a hospital unless you're in a car accident or you have to be there.
Speaker 0 00:25:33 So it was an interesting experience. I actually lived there with, uh, we had our, uh, they had like separate little condos, and I lived with three other, I lived with three doctors and, um, you know, towards the very end of it, I, I can't say that all the treatment itself, maybe it set the stage, but towards the end, we were sitting one night in the living room and the movie A Beautiful Mine was playing.
Speaker 3 00:25:59 Oh, that's a great movie. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:26:01 And, uh, it's at the very end of the movie, and he's walking along with his arch nemesis, and the guy goes, do you still see them? And he looks over and they're there and they're kind of looking at him, and he looks back at the guy and says, yes, I still see them. He goes, I just learned not to engage with them anymore.
Speaker 3 00:26:23 And he's talking about people on the af in the afterlife.
Speaker 0 00:26:25 He's talking about the psychotic, you know, the people that he's, he sees and tells him to do things. Oh, right. That, that aren't actually real.
Speaker 3 00:26:33 Right. Okay. Yeah. It's been a long time. That's an older movie.
Speaker 0 00:26:35 Right, right. And it dawned on me at that point that that's the same thing that my mind is doing, doing. Oh, my mind is telling me that I can control this.
Speaker 3 00:26:46 Uh, yes.
Speaker 0 00:26:47 <laugh>. And it's always telling me that, and you know, in my world, my reality that's real because my mind's telling me that.
Speaker 3 00:26:53 Yes. And you've controlled a lot to get
Speaker 0 00:26:56 Success, and I've controlled everything else. Yeah. Why can't I control this? And my mind's telling me, keeps telling me, can, that's why I keep doing the same thing over and over again. And what I, it dawned on me when he said that was, I'm no different than him. His might be to a different level. Yeah. That he's actually, you know, seeing people and talking to them, but that's no different than just, just, I don't see them, but they're, they're talking through you. They're in my mind. And it was just like a light bulb moment. Good. I realized that if I, just because I think something doesn't make it real
Speaker 3 00:27:28 Oh, amen. That it takes a lot of people a long time and a lot of trauma to finally get to that place.
Speaker 0 00:27:34 And that, you know, I think the experience of living like that without all this other stuff was, was just eye-opening to me because I realized I didn't, I didn't, not only did, I didn't need it, I didn't want it. I didn't really want all that mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I immediately came back and disassembled everything. And, um, took about a year and a half sabbatical trying to figure out, you know, what
Speaker 3 00:27:59 Jerry was
Speaker 0 00:27:59 Now what what to do with life, and got more back into the health mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, and what I decided to do was I had been exposed to a lot of migrant labor, uh, and saw how they have a lot of problem getting money back to their families. Uh, in a lot of cases, I don't most people know, but there's a half a trillion dollars a year in money sent from migrant labor back home around the world. The average cost to send that money is about seven to 8%.
Speaker 3 00:28:27 Uh, yeah. The, the wiring and, and stuff
Speaker 0 00:28:29 Like that. Right. Western Union and what have you. Uhhuh <affirmative>, in some cases it can be as high as 25%.
Speaker 3 00:28:33 That's
Speaker 0 00:28:33 A ripoff. And it can take up to a week for the money to actually get there. So these people that are, you know, barely getting by Yeah.
Speaker 3 00:28:41 They're losing a
Speaker 0 00:28:41 Lot, are getting rate. Yeah. Ba So I decided to try to figure out a way to, um, make that system more efficient, better mm-hmm. <affirmative> through, um, you know, uh, modern technology, basically an app. So I, um, assembled a team. I, I went from Texas to California, moved into, uh, Los Angeles, and, um, assembled a team, had no prior experience in FinTech is, which they call financial technology mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and put together a team and started building up, um, this technology. And, uh, we actually launched it in, uh, Southeast Asia. So I spent about three years in Southeast Asia getting this, um, uh, business off the ground. And while I was there, uh, I had another experience, like the old kava experience. And this one was Withum. Uh, soum is, um, a shrub, it's in the pepper plant, uh, in the coffee family. And, um, used very similar in Southeast Asia as what Kava is in the Pacific Islands. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And I started, you know, trying, you know, different kinds. And again, I wasn't, you know, all the other things in my life, all the manmade things were gone. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, all the substances, all that. So I was looking for something natural that would make me feel connected again mm-hmm. <affirmative> and make me feel good in my own skin. And this stuff did it without having the negative, you know, side effects that the, the manmade substances
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Speaker 3 00:30:12 Did. Right. And Danny, you use a, you've got a, a pretty strong u uh, history or knowledge and use of crao, haven't you, from your, for your pain control?
Speaker 4 00:30:21 Yes. Um, comes with the territory, but I've had 24 orthopedic surgeries throughout my career. Yep. And I have a couple pending right now. And when I was younger, like, you know, I mean, there was obviously a big epidemic with opiates over the last decade or so, and these drug companies just pretty much, you know, incentivizing doctors to write more prescriptions and all these things. And, um, you know, uh, when I was younger I didn't have the education and had not seen the dark side of that yet, so mm-hmm. <affirmative> by default, just being, you know, just looking for an ex, you know, some way to deal with pain, pain management. Um, you know, I followed the protocol. I would get a prescription written and I would take these drugs and the, the, you know, the repercussion of it, I started to notice substantially, but I didn't know what else there was available.
Speaker 4 00:31:11 Like, I didn't know if there was anything else that I could do about the level of pain I was dealing with on a consistent basis. And things like Advil and stuff like that weren't, you know, weren't really cutting through on pain. And they were also making me feel I could feel the toxicity from those chemicals. And so I, I, you know, I started, uh, I started to realize that, you know, prescription pain medication wasn't a sustainable, viable solution. And thank God I was able to catch that before it got, you know, before I dove into the trenches too far in that, in that world. And, uh, that's
Speaker 3 00:31:43 What killed Prince in
Speaker 4 00:31:44 The end. And, you know, there's a lot of pro-athletes that end up in this situation. Yeah. And I understand why. Uh, it's, you know, it's, it's becoming obviously a lot more, you know, um, it's, people are becoming a lot more, or you know, aware of it. Aware and, and you know, they're obviously making it a lot harder for people to get these drugs. And that's a great thing they're doing that. I think there's a time and a place for maybe those kind of drugs, you know, and in all, you know, depending on an emergency situation, who knows what it is. But you know, that, that would be like the last ditch effort to deal with something. I would think you would go down that path in a really serious situation, potentially, but it's not something, you know, that you would want to take on a, you know, as a, as a go-to grab remedy for anything.
Speaker 3 00:32:27 So how'd you get to the Crao part
Speaker 4 00:32:29 Of it? Well, I just, uh, figured out one day I could not, I, I realized I needed to, you know, be conscious looking around and seeing what had happened to other people I knew and stuff. So I just said, you know what? Know what? I'm not gonna take these, these drugs anymore. I'm just, ironically one of my friends that had been through, you know, a problem with his back had, it was pending a disc surgery was holding out cuz he thought they were gonna come up with a new procedure. And this guy was in a tremendous amount of pain every day. A really rich friend of mine, another guy he's made very successful doing a, you know, the internet. Uh, he got in on the internet stuff early on and made a billion, billions of dollars Wow. In this industry sitting on a private jet most of the time.
Speaker 4 00:33:09 He was just excruciating pain. So he ended up Dix addicted to Oxycontin and he's a good friend of mine. So we would talk often and we would talk about the pain situations we were dealing with, whatever. And he travels a lot globally. And he was like, you know, I found this, this sustainable, you know, program, I think that it could be a help for you. You know, like, I think you should try this out. He, so I'm gonna send you some stuff in the mail or whatever. And it was just ironically around the time that I realized like, this is the end of this program I can't keep, cuz I have more surgeries ahead. Like what? This isn't leading me to nowhere but a dead end. So he sent me the stuff and literally like, I tried it and right away I knew, I was like, wow, this is a gold mine.
Speaker 4 00:33:50 Fine. Like this is, this stuff works. And uh, from that day on, I, I have not touched an opiate pain medication ever since. And, uh, I have, you know, it's, you know, these, the effect from Prum isn't so profound that I'm inebriated. I don't feel like I'm outta my, you know, outta my mind or my balance in any way. Um, I comp completely focus, uh, I haven't had any side effects from it that, that, you know, have slowed me down in any way or, or, you know, haunted my life in any sh way, shape, or form. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So, you know, I've, I'm gonna be in pain for the rest of my life. I've done enough damage to my body where you know, that I'm gonna be, you know, if I'm not, if I don't have something that is keeping me at peace sometimes like this Yeah. Then it's my, I think it's gonna be my human nature to be out to, to wanna search for something at some point, you know? Yeah. So it's, it's totally killed all interests whatsoever in any of those pharmaceutical drugs. And I haven't Amen. Haven't used any of those drugs. That's correct.
Speaker 3 00:34:54 Since I have a question for both of you, um, marijuana's used as you know, cuz you and I have had many sharings of marijuana. Sure. And also both of us know a lot of professional athletes and a lot of the guys that I work with, you know, and, um, marijuana and its derivatives can be helpful for pain. So I'm curious for both of you, Jerry, did you have any experience with marijuana and did it help you kind of get any connection like you were looking for?
Speaker 4 00:35:24 Um, I started smoking it at a very young age.
Speaker 3 00:35:26 Oh, that's right. You told me that. Yeah. I missed that part. I'm just, I brain farted on that. But did you, did you not find that it gave you any sense of, um, kind of what the, uh, kava or the C cram was giving you?
Speaker 0 00:35:37 It? Um, I mean, I liked it, but it didn't give me the experience that Coven cram does it not anything close to it.
Speaker 3 00:35:44 I mean, of course I having used your feel free product Yeah. It's, it's a radically different experience than marijuana. And
Speaker 0 00:35:52 Let's just put it as what my drug of choice.
Speaker 3 00:35:54 Yeah. No, yeah. It's, it's, it's not my drug of choice either. But Danny, you got a long history of using it, but it wasn't doing the trick for you. It, was it not strong enough or?
Speaker 4 00:36:03 Yeah, I mean, I don't, you know, marijuana's more I think of a distraction, you know, I don't, uh, I think it maybe it can and, and it's, and it's not a reverse effect sometimes too. We're not been in a lot of pains. Made me focus on my pain
Speaker 3 00:36:16 More. Yes. Yeah, it
Speaker 4 00:36:17 Can. So, but, you know, consuming marijuana, I'm also consuming cbd, so Yeah. You know, over long course of time, I'm, I I can say that I've probably had a lot of C B D indirectly, um, but, you know, these situations, you know, with acute pain or whatnot like, you know, marijuana is great. Um, it's, it's definitely, you know, a good remedy for muscle soreness. Um, it can, it can take the edge off feeling, you know, just beat up or mm-hmm. <affirmative> or, or run down or, but not the same way that I've had, you know, the effect with the CRA and kava, um, per se. But it's definitely, uh, you know, out of all the, all the things that I've come across, come across on the planet, you know, these are the two most viable, sustainable remedies that I've come up with. So I, I'm a, you know, I'm a connoisseur of both mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but I would say that I would probably tend to lean more towards the creative covis side for pain management.
Speaker 3 00:37:14 Yeah, I can understand that. And having experienced it myself, knowing how Kava works, and then I've actually, uh, smoked C Crao, um mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, I used to never do that. Yeah. I used to get it, it was really cheap too. It was like, I don't know, quarter ounce was only like 20 bucks.
Speaker 4 00:37:30 You can get a kilo for like 50 <laugh>. Yeah. Or if you're buying it bulk, you can get it for probably 5 cents.
Speaker 3 00:37:35 Yeah. I was experimenting, you know, you, you know, cuz uh, you, you, you sort of, uh, triggered off a psychedelic revolution for me. <laugh>, you and your brother <laugh>. And so I, I did what I do as you know, I researched the hell out of everything and tested all sorts of stuff. And as you guys know, I'm an alchemist so I try every types of different combinations and research and I got probably a hundred books on psychedelic medicines from all over the world. So I study the whole thing. But, um, yeah, there's a, there's a a lot of exploration and opportunities, but it's good that you, we all have to sort of not only, um, find substances that are sustainable, but we, as we've all discussed, our bio chemistries are very unique. Right. So, you know, I I I can tell you an example, my past assistant, you remember Vig, she worked with me for 11 years. Her and I had the opposite effects. A marijuana that would make her calm would wind me up and the ones that would wind me up would calm her down.
Speaker 0 00:38:36 I've seen people that take value and it's like a speed to
Speaker 3 00:38:39 Them That's wild. Yeah. Which shouldn't technically happen, right? So we all have to sort of find our, our, our chemical, um, uh, signature, you know, our, our fingerprint. And the problem is when people, uh, don't do the work to keep going until they find the right thing and then they get on something that doesn't work for them, but they keep using it either because everybody else is or because they don't know what else to do. And then they start feeling really shitty all the time using something that may be good for other people but isn't good for them. So, Jerry, sorry, I just wanted to hear Danny's experience on that. Well, it was appropriate and we were talking about it. What, what continues? I wanna hear more of your story. I'm digging it. That's funny to me. How many parallels are in your life and
Speaker 0 00:39:19 Mine. It's really cool. It is. It is. When we first met, we were, when you were telling me your story, it was like you were reading off exactly what uh,
Speaker 3 00:39:27 And you know, I worked in the drilling industry too.
Speaker 0 00:39:28 It was an exploration was, it was amazing
Speaker 3 00:39:30 Exploration drilling for, uh, working for Gulf Oil and working on drill rigs and making good money. I spent all my money racing stock cars
Speaker 4 00:39:39 Though. <laugh>, you, you've done a lot, you've experienced a lot. Yes. I didn't know about the drilling. So that's one more addition to your resume that that Yeah. That I didn't know
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Speaker 0 00:42:20 So back in, uh, Southeast Asia, um, you know, running a FinTech company and or launching a FinTech company, we had some, um, technology partners, large global companies that were helping us with this project or got or got interested in it once they heard about it and um, actually wound up selling it out to them Okay. To take it and do something large, larger with
Speaker 3 00:42:43 It didn't, you didn't have to have another baby to take care of
Speaker 0 00:42:45 Ex Exactly. Yeah, exactly. Um, cuz I knew at that point that that really wasn't my thing. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> running something, you know, huge with thousands of employees and all of that. I, you know, I had done that before and that's just not what's good for me.
Speaker 3 00:42:59 It sounded to me like you accomplished your objective though. Did you, you accomplished the objective of helping people that didn't have a lot of money, transfer money.
Speaker 0 00:43:07 I, I wish I could say that. Oh,
Speaker 3 00:43:09 What happened? By the time everyone got their piece it was back to where you started.
Speaker 0 00:43:12 Well, what they did is, I mean, I thought that's what the natural progression of it would be, but what wound up happening was they took the technology and, and shelfed it.
Speaker 3 00:43:21 Oh, <laugh>, why? To protect their other assets
Speaker 0 00:43:24 To put it into something else. I mean, they wanted some of the technology Oh, I see. Some of the code to do something else with.
Speaker 3 00:43:30 That's interesting. But you got your chunk of change I think
Speaker 0 00:43:32 Got some chunk of change out of it. So I'm not, you know Yeah. Gonna complain to
Speaker 3 00:43:35 Me from what I've learned from you so far, there wouldn't be an exchange without a success <laugh>.
Speaker 0 00:43:40 So, um, with that, um, I came back to California and um, you know, again, started the process of what do I do next in life? And this thing kept popping back up of the, the, uh, ceremony in Tu and the kava and um, what I'd just experienced in Asia with c Prum and some other plants like the Gruit. And um, it started, you know, I had a lot of time on my hands and I always have done a lot of research on my own. Yeah. You know, having not really had formal schooling, I just learned how to, you know, search it out myself.
Speaker 3 00:44:16 Yeah. Best
Speaker 0 00:44:17 Way to go. And I spent, you know, hundreds and hundreds of hours of researching and, and I found something that was, I felt was very fascinating. And that's that, um, all around the world, there's these different plants that people learned how to use for the same purpose.
Speaker 3 00:44:34 Yes. For pain or for depression or menstrual cramps or whatever.
Speaker 0 00:44:38 Or ceremonies or family gatherings. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, they were all around food and they were, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but they all, and they're all different, but they were all consumed in their natural form. The only outlier, and this is we're going back thousands of years. Yeah. The only outlier is alcohol. So you had alcohol in China and the Middle East mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then going into Europe mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then eventually coming over here to North America. Uh, and you hadum in Southeast Asia, you had Kana in Africa. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you had COA in Central and South America and you had kava in the Pacific Islands.
Speaker 3 00:45:15 I've used a lot of kna by the way I mix it with ayahuasca.
Speaker 0 00:45:18 Yeah. And for thousands of years, none of those societies had any real problems. In fact, had a lot of alcohol come out <laugh>. But over here, alcohol, this outlier that's highly processed, you know, is the one that's created all a lot of the problems. And then on top of that, all the synthetic drugs that have been created, and the only reason synthetic drugs are created is that they
Speaker 3 00:45:44 Can control
Speaker 0 00:45:45 It. You can't patent Right. Natural substance.
Speaker 3 00:45:47 Right.
Speaker 0 00:45:48 You can't build a mode around it. So you need something synthetic that you can build a motor around, that you can make money out of. Cuz you can't fight the competition off on a natural substance. So, but I just thought that was interesting. I also thought it was interesting that other than one of 'em that all of 'em started with K.
Speaker 3 00:46:04 Oh, that's interesting. You just hit me with that. Wow.
Speaker 0 00:46:07 And
Speaker 3 00:46:08 Kanara and
Speaker 0 00:46:10 Kava. Even even COA
Speaker 3 00:46:12 And
Speaker 0 00:46:12 Cocoa, it sounds, you know. Okay. But it's a c and and I, as I started researching, you know, um, an example would be like, uh, coa COA has 13 alkaloids in it, of which one is cocaine. So
Speaker 3 00:46:24 You gotta get rid of the other ones to get your
Speaker 0 00:46:26 Cocaine. And they use gasoline to do that.
Speaker 3 00:46:28 Oh, I didn't know that. That's,
Speaker 0 00:46:29 That's how they, they
Speaker 3 00:46:30 Process it makes me glad I don't use cocaine
Speaker 0 00:46:33 <laugh>. So, you know, um, again, they take what mother nature created that was coca leaves themselves consuming them are
Speaker 3 00:46:41 Fine. I've done it. I've got some, someone brought me some from South America or Columbia somewhere.
Speaker 0 00:46:46 But when you destroy that natural balance you get and add other, you know, things like gasoline in there, <laugh> and you're, and you're snorting that. Yeah. Which I've Jesus done my share of that, you know, earlier in life too. It's, you know, you're gonna have problems. Wow. And it's inevitable.
Speaker 3 00:47:01 It is. Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:47:02 So, um, I then got the idea of, well, if all these things developed at the same time, they're different plants are all natural, they all have the same, you know, name, kind of what was, why hasn't someone tried to put mix them together? So I started on, I put together a, a lab in my house. My, my wife thought I was crazy and I started experimenting with mixing the different natural substances together. And the issue is, it's like cannabis. There's hundreds of strains, right. Of kava. There's, you know, hundreds of strains or different varieties of prum mm-hmm. <affirmative> and the different ones do different things. Right. Example, like likeum, you have green, white, and red. And the, the white is more energizing, the green is more euphoric and the red is more sedative. Um, the, the thing that's interesting is, is that when you combine these things, you don't always get the result <laugh> that you want
Speaker 3 00:48:05 Or that you expect
Speaker 0 00:48:06 Yeah. That you expect. So, um, literally had to do, you know, try each combination.
Speaker 3 00:48:13 You survived your, your <laugh>
Speaker 0 00:48:14 Experimentation process. This was, this was about a, um, almost a two year period.
Speaker 3 00:48:19 Yeah.
Speaker 0 00:48:20 Because that's a lot of combinations.
Speaker 3 00:48:21 You have a lot of, uh, valuable, uh, biochemistry knowledge in your head.
Speaker 0 00:48:25 <laugh>. Yeah. And, um, and you can't do it back to back. No. Because you're still sometimes feeling the effect of what you've done before. So you have to clear yourself in
Speaker 3 00:48:35 There. Yeah. You go, you won't know what's
Speaker 0 00:48:36 Happening. Unfortunately, this experience too, I'm really starting to get more back into health and do all the other things in life that, you know, allows me to, to do this. And, and in that process I finally found the two magic ones. The right kaba and the right prum that when they go together, they do something magic. Yes. They, they, they dance. They're, they're doing either one of 'em by themselves or doing any of the other strains by themselves of either one of the two substances does not give the same feeling that you get from these two when they're dancing together.
Speaker 3 00:49:11 Well, you know, I was gonna ask you some other questions before we got into the feel free, but since we're right on it right now mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I'll just sort of shift my flow. What I'd like to do is share what happened when I took it. Um, is that okay? Yeah. From your flow. Yeah. Um, Danny brought it to me and, you know, I didn't know what to expect. Uh, I saw that it had crao and I saw it had kava. I've tried both. I thought, well, you know, I didn't even really think much about whether they'd been combined or not. I just thought, well, neither of these things is gonna make me have to lay on the floor and take half a day off or anything. So, and Danny, you know, he's always reliable with good stuff. He doesn't bring me junk. So I thought, let's, so I think I drank half the bottle, uh, shook it real well.
Speaker 3 00:49:59 I just instinctively shook it. I smelled it first and I could smell coconut in there. And I went, oh, I don't do well with coconut, but I'm gonna try this anyhow. And I shook it and I drank half the bottle. And then I remember about three or four minutes later, it felt like a wave of bliss hit me. I literally felt my energy field open up, you know, I'm clairvoyant and I can sense energies like chakras and things. And it felt like, especially my first, second and third and my fourth chakra just opened. And I felt like very much like when I'm, um, maybe using mushrooms and I feel very connected to nature. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> very strongly. Um,
Speaker 0 00:50:43 We've had other people associated with
Speaker 3 00:50:45 Mushrooms. Yeah. I felt like I was on a mushroom journey without the psychedelic effects and I was amazed that I had this sense of upliftment. It was as though the weight of the world had been taken off my back and it felt, um, healing. Like, uh, if I, I, I would say that if I was under a lot of stress, I probably would've cried a lot just because it felt like it was moving emotion through me. But because I, you know, I'm doing good in my life and have been through the hardest parts. And so it really, I just got to have this experience and it went on for a good four, maybe five hours. Right. And I was working and I had perfectly clear cognition. I didn't feel at all like I was on a drug or anything, but I just felt like I wanted to run around and hug everybody.
Speaker 3 00:51:39 Yeah. You know, I just felt like, wow, you know, this is fucking Danny hit the top of the bell again with this one. And I just, you know, my first reaction was, well, then I drank the rest of the bottle <laugh>. I thought, okay, let's try the other half. And I said to the girls, I said, you gotta try this, this Danny brought me, this stuff is amazing. And I started giving it to friends and everybody was blown away. And, you know, this is of course when Covid, I think, was it right when Covid was going on, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And so there was all these people all locked up and then all this stress and feeling like shit. And, uh, you know, the already the statistics on anxiety and depression, even before Covid were through the roof. And, you know, I work with these issues in my life professionally.
Speaker 3 00:52:26 So I'm very hip to what's going on with people's inner worlds. I'm a expert at the psyche, uh, really to, to do what I do. You gotta know what's going on on the inside or you'll never really help someone heal. And I immediately said, this isn't just a drink. This is a healing medicine that will help depress people, experience, connection, openness, and joy. And it'll help anxious people calm down. And I thought, this is something that's so important. I have got to tell Danny, I want to get involved. I want people to know about this. Um, it's clean. You've done a great job of using organic source products. Right. There's no shit in it. It doesn't have bad side effects. And as I was sharing with you earlier this morning, it's not something that I personally need a lot of because I'm at a place in my life where I don't need support to feel good.
Speaker 3 00:53:25 But I can see how valuable it would be for people to have. But for me, it's something I've learned doing hundreds of plant medicine ceremonies and, and running ceremonies and working with people and working with a lot of people that end up going from ceremony to ceremony to ceremony. But they never really change their behavior or get the message just like, okay, how many times do you gotta talk to God before you finally just start doing what you're, you know? Right. Taking the gift. Right. But what I found with, with this is that a person, and what my point is that when I take, when I work with plant medicines, I let them teach me how to get to these other dimensions, how to get to these spaces. For example, I've had intimate experiences of connection to nature and connection to stones and to water.
Speaker 3 00:54:15 I've had experiences laying next to creeks where I became one with all the bacteria. And it was li it was like I was literally in the middle of a conversation with billions of living beings. And somehow they all knew I was there and were talking to me. And so what that allowed me to do was I say, okay, tomorrow I'm coming back to this creek without this in my system, and I lay down next to the creek and I know what's possible because the medicine that I was on right, made me aware of what's going on all the time. It didn't make the bacteria talk louder. It didn't make the fish, the birds, and the bees talk louder. No, they're still doing the same thing. It just opened me up to what's going on all the time. And I said, well, if my body has the software in it, I believe our dna n a is a tuning fork or, or an antenna system that carries all the history of human evolution from stones all the way through the microorganisms plant and animal kingdom.
Speaker 3 00:55:13 And that when we are consciously connecting to a plant, or to a tree or an animal, we already have the software in us to tap into that frequency. So the plant medicines allowed me to explore these other dimensions that are hard to get to because you don't know they're there without the help to tap into the, cuz the plant medicines each have their own frequency, right? So they say, oh, here, let's show you what it's like to be a marijuana plant. Here's how it we live. Here's what it's like. If you're on ayahuasca, this is the mm-hmm. <affirmative>, this is the experience you can have. So the point I'm driving at is that I really feel that feel free is a very important medicine because there's so many people that have forgotten how to feel free, how to feel connected, how to feel happy, how to let go of the burden of financial responsibility or the stress of not being in a job they want.
Speaker 3 00:56:08 And so all of a sudden they have this opening and then they can wake up the next day when the medicine's gone and go, look, I felt that way yesterday. Let me practice feeling that way again. Let me practice. You know, maybe they got really connected to their cat while they're on, feel free. So now go reconnect your cat and have the same experience. Maybe they, they had this sense that their plants were talking to them. Well, now that you know that, go do it again. And if you have to drink a little, feel free, tap in and build the circuits. Build the circuits, build the circuits. And all the research on how the mind works shows within seconds of us having a new experience, we're developing a new neural network. The problem is, if we don't do something to maintain it, then the body doesn't reinforce it.
Speaker 3 00:56:51 So it, it won't keep the neural network alive because the body is a use it or lose it deal. So I, I was actually, like I say, blown away. I mean, I, I, I think what you've created is something that really is a very valuable gift to the public, not just because of what it is, but because of the times that we're going through right now. And, and, you know, Danny, what's your thoughts and feelings on that? I mean, you got a lot of experience with a lot of things and you obviously brought this to me. So what do you see the product for, uh, for and its function?
Speaker 4 00:57:25 Well, I mean, I had obviously my own experiences, but I, you're one of, you're like the ultimate filter for most anything <laugh> especially this kind of thing. So I had to bring it over and have you had to take a run, you know, test run and take a test drive with the feel free. And, you know, your response was pretty amazing to hear because I kind of felt I came to the same conclusion. You know, I might have been searching for these remedies for other reasons. Cuz I think, you know, I'm, I'm pretty, you know, I, I I know how to find my happiness per se. You know, I'm pretty content with my life Yeah. For the most part. But I find myself feeling uneasy a lot of the time just because of the constant, you know, aching or pains and stuff like that. So it takes me out of my space of Yeah.
Speaker 4 00:58:08 Being able to just relax and enjoy what's happening in the moment sometimes. Yeah. So, you know, uh, what I tapped into was, you know, it, it, it's, you know, liberated me from being fixated on, you know, the things that are going on in my body. But at the same time, I realized a as well, you know, like you said, it's, you know, it opened me up to, you know, to just a different perspective and, and the feeling that I had was, you know, I felt it, it made me feel really grounded and connected. Yes. But clear. Um, but I also noticed I wasn't aching as much. And, uh, I was having, you know, a, a a lot more, um, blissful, I would say, uh, time, just enjoying life versus, um, you know, looking for an ice pack or Yes. You know, going, oh, I need a massage right now. Yes. Or I gotta stretch again, or whatever it is. You know, constant maintenance, you know? Yes. So, you know, it's been a big, huge vehicle for me to liberate myself from feeling a prisoner to this maintenance schedule mm-hmm. <affirmative> just to feel, you know, comfortable in my own skin.
Speaker 3 00:59:09 Yeah. I mean, I'm, I, I haven't had near the trauma you've had, but I've had enough, I've had six major concussions, uh, 15 broken bones, internal bleeding, uh, yeah. Um, you know, enough trauma that Yeah. At 59 years of age, stock car accidents, lots of motocross racing accidents, uh, six concussions, including being gone for two complete days in a cut and coma. Wow. Um, racing motorcycles. And, uh, I find if I, if I don't stay real good on my diet and I don't keep my body strong, then I start to ache like hell all over my neck. You know, I had that stunt lifting accident and blew two discs out and tore ligaments in my spine. So my spinal cord is easily pinched, and I can wake up in the middle of the night and my arm's completely numb and I can't even move it. I have to get up and shake it out.
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Speaker 4 01:00:06 I got the same thing going on.
Speaker 3 01:00:08 Yeah. Yeah. And so, you know, you have had way more bad wipeouts than I have, so I'm saying that like, I know what it's like to be in my body and I too have to be on the regular maintenance foam rollers, stretching.
Speaker 4 01:00:23 Yeah. It's a constant, it's a full-time job just to feel, to try and feel just somewhat normal
Speaker 3 01:00:29 <laugh>. Yeah. So, like you said, so you don't have to constantly be thinking about getting away from the discomfort in your body, you know? Absolutely.
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Speaker 3 01:03:54 You got it. There you go. Try it. You'll love it. I use them. I can't tell you enough how much I love this product. I think it's a genius product, and you've heard it right from the master himself. Get your P three o m, let us know how you feel about it. Lots of love. What I'm curious about, Jerry, is what was your experience when you finally found the right combination? What, I mean, that must have been like a eureka moment for you. It was, it's kind of like picking the lock of a vault full of billions of dollars and all of a sudden the door opens. And you've been trying for a long time.
Speaker 0 01:04:29 Been trying for since I was, since I can remember to get to feel, you know, good in my own skin.
Speaker 3 01:04:38 So te take us through that experience. Tell us about the day that it happened, when you got the right combination and you went, boom. I got
Speaker 0 01:04:46 It. One thing about it is, is that, you know, it doesn't take very long to, to take effect. No.
Speaker 3 01:04:52 <laugh>, uh, like I said, about three or
Speaker 0 01:04:53 Four minutes, <laugh> Yeah. Within, within five minutes, it hit me. And, you know, I was like, oh my gosh, I've never, you know, I've, I've done a lot of other types of things. I've never felt like this before. And I thought, well, okay, this is gonna, you know, this is gonna be, you know, kind of quick and it's gonna fall off two, three hours later. I'm still feeling the same.
Speaker 3 01:05:15 Yeah.
Speaker 0 01:05:15 And I'm like, this is just magical. And I find myself writing, working, and I, I feel better than I ever felt on, you know, other substances being inebriated, yet at the same time,
Speaker 3 01:05:30 Productive.
Speaker 0 01:05:31 I'm extremely productive.
Speaker 3 01:05:32 Hey, pass that bottle to me, man. You're getting me horny, <laugh> all this nasty. Talk about being productive and happy and all this poor shit. We gotta be careful about all that stuff in the world today. No one's gonna like us when we feel so good.
Speaker 4 01:05:45 <laugh>.
Speaker 0 01:05:46 And,
Speaker 4 01:05:47 Uh, where you feel too good if
Speaker 0 01:05:49 Little
Speaker 3 01:05:50 Prayer. There you go. Would you like to join me in Embodi, men and Spirit, my dear medicine, spirits. Oh, great spirit. Thank you, mother. Take care. Cheers. Tastes a lot better than I was. Come in.
Speaker 4 01:06:11 I I actually don't want some, I'm, I'm good. I just had one right before we came in. You're
Speaker 3 01:06:16 Ahead of us as always,
Speaker 4 01:06:17 But, uh, I am, uh, I actually like the taste, um, of the feel free to be
Speaker 3 01:06:24 Honest. I don't, I don't find it off-putting at all. It's just, um, it's very natural tasting, you know, it's like a, it's like you're taking, um, an herbal medicine, but I don't, yeah. I, I could, I drank it. No problem. You know,
Speaker 4 01:06:35 I just appreciate, you know, it's a plant-based product. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, it's organic, it's earthy. And I, and I, and I believe it's a, like, you know, it's not supposed to taste like, you know, it comes
Speaker 0 01:06:46 Yeah. I can
Speaker 4 01:06:47 Feel it, man. Like a, it's not supposed to be a a, a great tasting. It's, it's not supposed to be a sugar, it's a purposeful drink. It's, I
Speaker 0 01:06:54 Think drinks. I think that's part of it. It's effect on your body. I think it's stimulating. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, the taste buds, uh, you know, the sensory,
Speaker 3 01:07:03 It's a taste too that you aren't likely to ever have found anywhere else. No. So it's almost like the brain has to, to say, well, this is something new. You don't have any way to attach any previous emotion or history. Like alcohol comes with history, pot comes with
Speaker 0 01:07:16 History, but then you also have what you're already starting to probably feel that you have the little bit of no Novocain effect coming from the kava, the numbing. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 01:07:23 Mm-hmm. <affirmative> my mouse, getting
Speaker 0 01:07:24 A little, and that's another thing I think that's waking your brain up going, you know, what's something's going on here, you know, <affirmative>
Speaker 3 01:07:29 Yeah.
Speaker 0 01:07:29 My tongue. Yeah. Mm-hmm.
Speaker 3 01:07:31 <affirmative>. Yeah. It's the kava
Speaker 0 01:07:33 Experience and then you can feel it. Yeah. As it goes down,
Speaker 3 01:07:36 It's opening my, again, my first, second, third and fourth shockers. It's just like, um, I feel like a treasure chest that's being opened, and all of a sudden the sunlight's shining into my inner being, you know? And it's amazing. Like, I just took shit, I don't know how many ounces in that, two or three, four ounces.
Speaker 0 01:07:55 There's, there's two, two and a
Speaker 3 01:07:56 Half ounces, two and a half. So I probably had, uh, half an ounce there. Just a swig of it. And it's already just noticeably making a beautiful opening inside of me. Thank you for sharing this ceremonial day of
Speaker 4 01:08:13 We'll have to thank this guy. Men
Speaker 3 01:08:15 With Men. Yeah. And we got fed by the women, so we got Oh,
Speaker 0 01:08:17 We did. Had a wonderful lot.
Speaker 4 01:08:19 And just, you know, ironic, you know, or fate or whatever you want to call it. You know, the universe introduced us, you know, and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and it's just, you know, I've, I've been curious, you know, I've, I've been aware that this is something that a lot of people could benefit from for a long time. Yeah. I've done a little bit of my own market research on these products. I know some of the other brands, you know, in the back of my mind, I've always thought like, wow, it'd be really cool to pursue a project in this genre. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, of supplement. But, you know, bandwidth is an issue. Obviously. I have a lot of stuff going on. Yes. And I've, you know, I dabbled in, you know, creating, you know, some of the assets at a different, whatever, different times. My brother is a big fan of, of CRA as well. So he and I had created a little brand book at one point about an idea, you know, about us doing a, a shot. And then I was introduced to Jerry and I, and I saw the product and I was just like, wow, there's no point to really don't go
Speaker 3 01:09:10 Out and don't invent the wheel if it's already round.
Speaker 4 01:09:11 Yeah. I was like, he hit it right on the nose. And, uh, you know, just lucky enough to meet such an awesome guy. This guy's really amazing businessman. He's also a really good human being. He has a huge heart and he can feel his passion and his pro pro soul
Speaker 3 01:09:24 Brother.
Speaker 4 01:09:24 He, you, he's, he's, he's a, you know, he's doing things for the right reasons. And I could sense he's
Speaker 3 01:09:28 That lifting stones with us, man.
Speaker 4 01:09:30 He's out here lifting stones, but isn't, you know, he doesn't, obviously, you know, he is obviously Jerry's pretty successful. I don't think he's in this for the money, per se. Yeah. He's in it, he's in it for the right reasons. And to me, that was also attractive. Everything this represents and he represents mm-hmm. <affirmative> made sense for me to say, Hey, let's try and work together if we can. And that's kind of where we began when he got introduced to a, a good friend of mine. And, and from there I was able to get, you know, set up where I could go out and bring in people, you know, to introduce the product to you and mm-hmm. <affirmative> to other athletes and, and kind of get the ball rolling here.
Speaker 3 01:10:02 How long was it ago that you cracked the code?
Speaker 0 01:10:06 This was, um, spring of this year.
Speaker 3 01:10:09 Oh, so it's fairly recent. Yeah. Wow. This must be exciting
Speaker 0 01:10:12 For you. Yeah, it is. Yeah. It's really exciting Now is we're starting to hear back from hundreds and hundreds of people, or thousands of people, what it's doing for them. You
Speaker 3 01:10:21 Know, I've gotta interject something. You wouldn't know this, but Danny can guarantee you this. I'm a picky motherfucker, <laugh>.
Speaker 4 01:10:30 That's why I brought it over here. I'm a
Speaker 3 01:10:32 Critical guy. I've got a lot of knowledge. I mean, I'm not bragging, but anyone that knows me personally, like Danny does, knows I've spent a lot of my life doing intense research and investigating things personally. And I take my pride and ownership on not misleading people. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Right. That's where my heart's at. And when I tried that <laugh>, I said, what the fuck? This is for real man, and this is natural ingredients. I said, not only yes to my interest in this, but I wanna get involved with this company. So then I, you know, Danny connected us. Right? And, and so isn't it amazing how, if your heart is tuned to your highest good and the best for everybody, it brings like minds together. It is. It's amazing. Yeah. Right. And different than me and you meeting and talking and having so many parallels in our lives and being so close at age and doing so many of the same things. Except I never got millions and millions of dollars and had a 17,000 square foot house. But I did have lots of race cars and getting lots of trouble and try all sorts of stuff. So, um, Jerry, tell me outta curiosity, not just the feel free, but what is the mission, vision and values? Uh, you know, did you start Botanic tonics before the feel Free? Or was that because of Feel
Speaker 0 01:11:54 Free? Botanic Tonics is feel free. So Botanic Tonics is the company Feel Free is the first, uh, SKU or variety that's comes out of, uh, Botanic
Speaker 3 01:12:03 Tonics. But you have all these other drinks. So you've made those,
Speaker 0 01:12:06 We have other drinks in, in other companies. Oh. Um, that, you know, again, why I was in Asia. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> an example. I've, I came across the, the Gruit,
Speaker 3 01:12:14 Which Yes. Which we've got here for the camera. So it's this big beautiful fruit I told Jart reminds me of when I was a kid on the farm. Castrating Bulls <laugh>. It looks like a big old testicle. I haven't tried to fry it up and eat it yet, but, uh, but tell us, uh, about the, the, the gag fruit when you're ready, cuz I want to hear this story. Okay.
Speaker 0 01:12:34 The, the Gruit is, uh, again, it's grown in throughout Southeast Asia. Uh, and an interesting story with Ed is one of the girls that, uh, worked with me there. She was, she's from here in the us We were working, you know, nonstop traveling through four or five different countries. And she started having some health issues breaking out, blurred vision, couldn't stare on a screen very long. And, uh, one of the, uh, we were, we were in Hanoi at our office in Oi and one of the girls, uh, Vietnamese girls on a marketing team, her mother sent, uh, what they call Sogo, which is a red sticky rice made from Gruit. And she said, if you'll eat this for a couple weeks, she said it'll go away. Uh, so, uh, yen consumed that for a couple weeks and sure enough it went away. Well, she came back to the US cuz she was coming back every 90 days for a couple weeks. And, uh, it flared back up mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and she started looking for a gack here and couldn't find it. And she's telling me this story and I'm like, okay. So once again, I started researching and, um, I saw that there was quite a bit of, uh, actual scientific, you know, studies or, you know, clinicals out there on, you know, the different things that it does. It truly is probably the most nutritious, dense single fruit or vegetable there is.
Speaker 3 01:13:59 That's
Speaker 0 01:13:59 Crazy. And it has no sugar.
Speaker 3 01:14:01 That's amazing.
Speaker 0 01:14:03 And it also, it, it doesn't have hardly any taste.
Speaker 3 01:14:06 Didn't you say it has a lot of protein too?
Speaker 0 01:14:08 No, it doesn't have a lot of protein.
Speaker 3 01:14:10 What is it? What's it full of
Speaker 0 01:14:11 Then? The main thing that's, it's, it has, is it has an abundance of OIDs.
Speaker 3 01:14:15 Okay. Well that's always good.
Speaker 0 01:14:17 <laugh>. And an example would be like lycopene. It has 70 times more than a tomato Wow. Has 10 times more beta carine than a carrot. Wow. Uh, and just on and on and on and on. Plus it has omega oils. It has, you know, it's just a little powerhouse. Mm. It's extremely bioavailable because of the lipids, uh, which most vegetables don't
Speaker 3 01:14:37 Have. So how much fat has it got in it?
Speaker 0 01:14:39 Uh, I don't know the exact percentage, but what I do know is, uh, from the, I, I've got some studies showing like this against tomatoes and carrots and things as far as the bioavailability, and this is just off the
Speaker 3 01:14:50 Chart. Wow. So it's easy to absorb the body just takes it in.
Speaker 0 01:14:53 Right, right. So this primarily would be in rural Southeast Asia. So if you go out into rural Southeast Asia, most people are living on, you know, $2 a day and, you know, they're consuming this with rice as, and they're getting a lot of their nutrition from the G food, so mm-hmm. <affirmative>, each little house will have a bamboo lettuce with this growing up over it. It's a, it's a vine, it's a perennial, uh, it's about 15 foot long, uh, very prolific. It's kind of like a, you know, like a cantaloupe. Um, and they use this again with gag, with the, with the rice making sogo. So I decided to try to figure out a way to, since it's not commercialized in the West to speak of, to figure out a way to deliver it, you know, here in a format that, you know, people would consume it. I know they're not gonna consume a lot of red sticky rice. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So I created a series of drinks, uh, with other natural ingredients mm-hmm. <affirmative> that basically cover seven functions.
Speaker 3 01:15:54 Yeah. Tell us the
Speaker 0 01:15:55 Functions. So you have, you have sleep, cleanse, beauty, energy, sport, uh, hydrate missing one energy, relax.
Speaker 3 01:16:06 Oh, relax.
Speaker 0 01:16:06 Okay. And relax actually has a little bit of Cabo mixed in it. So,
Speaker 3 01:16:09 Uh, I give that to Manna once in a while. Yeah. Because he, he's highwire, he doesn't want to go to sleep. He thinks he's gonna miss something out. So every now and then I'll hand him a can of the, uh, I think it's the relax. Yeah. Is that
Speaker 0 01:16:20 A purple can? It's a purple can. Yeah. Yeah. That's one. It's, it's got a, it's got a very small amount of cob in it mm-hmm. <affirmative>, but it's got enough that, and it's a very special type of cava that it's a very, very pleasant experience.
Speaker 3 01:16:33 Yeah. He seems to enjoy it. He's only four and a half, but he doesn't, he doesn't mind it at all.
Speaker 0 01:16:37 I know that's easy
Speaker 3 01:16:38 To get him to drink it. So
Speaker 0 01:16:39 Here, and, and we launched this company in, um, when I came outta Southeast Asia in 2000, late 2017, early 2018, uh, is when we launched it in. What's interesting is, is that skew that relaxed, um, did okay. But once Covid hit, it's really the sales of it has changed dramatically. That also in the sleep skew.
Speaker 3 01:17:02 That's great.
Speaker 0 01:17:03 But again, all organic, all natural, um, just using, you know, Gruit is the basis of it for the nutrition and then mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the other ingredients for function.
Speaker 3 01:17:14 What's, well, the, the question that I want to ask you, Jerry, what are the mission, vision and values for, um, Botanic Tonics? What's your really, your dream goals and objectives for botanic tonics?
Speaker 0 01:17:34 Well, there's actually, there's three different companies. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So we have, um, Botanic Tonics, which is the feel free.
Speaker 3 01:17:42 Okay. Oh, I didn't realize that they were different companies.
Speaker 0 01:17:44 Right. CAC Life, which is the, the suite, the seven functions of GAC based, you know, functional drinks. Right. And then we also have a coffee company. Uh oh. Yes. Bueno
Speaker 3 01:17:54 Roasters. And Jerry's working with me to make my own custom blend. Everybody get ready? Yes. Yes. I have very unique and specific tastes. I only like good dark roast coffee that's rich, tastes good, and gives you a culinary experience. And Jerry's tried my custom roast coffee or he's got some of it, and he is gonna work with me and I'm gonna make the best coffee in the world for you guys with Jerry.
Speaker 0 01:18:17 Looking forward
Speaker 3 01:18:18 To it. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 0 01:18:20 So, um, the theme that, uh, or the main thing that ties all, all the three of those companies together is, is they're all plant-based. They're all natural, they're all organic, and there's nothing in there that's been altered by man.
Speaker 3 01:18:35 Well, you know, what else is involved in that? From Paul Check's perspective, it means every dollar that we spend on your products is going into the hands of the farmers that are doing a good job making, making real stuff and supporting this planet.
Speaker 0 01:18:47 Exactly.
Speaker 3 01:18:48 And that to me is critical. We're in a situation right now where if we don't realize that our political system's broken and our only real vote is our dollar and how we spend it, we either keep funding the corporations restoring the planet, or we find companies like this that are organic and sustainable. So thank you for doing that.
Speaker 0 01:19:06 An example of that is like the feel free shot. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I mean, there's, there's other credo only shots out there.
Speaker 3 01:19:13 Yeah. You told me that and night I was not aware
Speaker 0 01:19:15 Of that. And there are are Kaba shots out there, there are no other crao kaba
Speaker 3 01:19:19 Shots. That's your magic,
Speaker 0 01:19:20 Because no one's thought to put them together mm-hmm. <affirmative> and no one's taken the time to do all that research, to do all that research and actually do the r and d and figure it out. Um, the problem with the extracts is, again, you're getting back to something that you're messing around with Mother Nature. Uh, so the Prum shots are again extracts mm-hmm. <affirmative>, and they're processed mainly with, with solvents to mm-hmm. <affirmative> basically, you know, boil them down or concentrate them, pull
Speaker 3 01:19:51 'em molecule
Speaker 0 01:19:51 Out, pull 'em. Yeah. And you know, what happens with that is the alkaloids, there's a number of alkaloids in there, and they're, they're pulling out different percentages of different alkaloids mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So they're destroying that balance.
Speaker 3 01:20:07 That's an important balance to
Speaker 0 01:20:09 Maintain. And those shots, uh, I've tried numerous ones and talked to a lot of people that have tried them. They give you a good feeling, but, uh, you know, you crash off of 'em quickly and there's also, you know, other effects of the, the withdrawal effects and things like that. Yeah. If you consume a lot of them. Uh, so, um, the reason that, um, no one else, everyone else is using the extracts is one, it's, it's an easier way to do it. The other is, is that it's hard to get enough of the active ingredient in a two out shot, um, to make it give you the effect that you want. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> without using extracts. But again, what's happening here is that this is a much lower dose of C prum than what a person would normally take. I mean, most people that take C Prum powder will take, you know, five grams in the morning and five grams at night. There's only, uh, three and a half grams in there.
Speaker 3 01:21:09 Right. So is it the synergistic effect?
Speaker 0 01:21:11 It's the synergistic effect. Yeah. It's the same way with the, the kaba you would normally consume 10 times that amount to get it, to get an effect. But these two specific strains, when put together, again, create that dance and they, they enhance each other and it allows you to get, you know, enough into that small bottle mm-hmm. <affirmative> to really give, you know, not only the effect that you would get from each one of 'em, but a but a totally new effect.
Speaker 3 01:21:40 Yeah. That's beautiful.
Speaker 3 01:21:45 You know, glutathione is an extremely powerful antioxidant. I don't know if any of you've ever noticed on my YouTube videos from a couple of years ago, I had a spot forming just below my left eye, which was the result of me doing so much research on herbs. And Angie, who is a nutritionist, said, you should try some glutathione. Maybe you need more antioxidant support. And literally, day by day, I watched it disappear as soon as I started taking glutathione. But I didn't have the kind of glutathione that Symbiota produces in their new Regenesis product. So I've got Shevin here to really explain what is unique about their new glutathione product. Shevin, what can we expect from Regenesis?
Speaker 9 01:22:28 Well, that's an interesting story, Paul, um, regarding that spot. And it just shows you exactly how strong glutathione is. We went out of our way, you know, it took us about 18 months to develop this. A lot of hard work. The entire team of scientists got together, and what we found was that most glutathione on the open market oxidized because of the sulf sulfur compound that's attached to it. As soon as oxygen hit hits it, you get this sulfur, you know, layout, which is very, very unpleasant. Our glutathione, which is liposomal, so it is protected, is bounded to lactoferrin. Lactoferrin is the, is the amino acid chain that makes colostrum colostrum. So this is our first non-vegan formula. It's still vegetarian, but it isn't vegan. Along with that, we have coq 10 pqq, which is pyro clone, which is a good brain neutropic and lactobacillus rosis, a human strain probiotic. All of these come together, it supports healthy intestinal Dr. Mitigates food, environmental Al Allergies improves nerve growth factor, reinforces the immune system, neutralizes free radicals, antiviral, antibacterial, removes heavy metals, and just boosts the brain gut relationship, which we know now is so critical to longevity and optimum health. This is truly one of our favorite, favorite formulas.
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Speaker 3 01:24:03 Awesome. So, head on over to C Y M B I O T I K a.com, that's symbiotica.com. And on checkout, use your code, capital C, capital H, capital E, capital K 15 to get your 15% discount on REGENESIS and any of the other amazing products at SymbioticA. Enjoy. And if you have spots on your skin, you might just get rid of 'em with this amazing product. What is your mission for these companies that make these products and, and your vision? What, what do you, what do you really see it as? It hap you know, what, what is, what are you bringing to the world? What do you want to happen? If there's a domino effect, what's the effect?
Speaker 0 01:24:52 Well, I, I wish I, I could say that I started this out with some grand design to, you know, to do something, you know, but I didn't know what the outcome would be. Uh, so it was hard to have a design for something when you didn't know what the, what the outcome would be. But once, you know, I experienced it and I started having, you know, friends and family try it and, and people started reporting back the different things that they were experiencing. And then when we started actually selling it, and hundreds and hundreds of people are reporting back, what I realized was that, that people are using this for, for different things. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, they're having, you know, different experiences with it. Right. And, uh, they're consuming it differently. Some people are sipping it throughout the day. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, some people are taking a half a shot. Some people take a full shot. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, some people are taking more than one shot per day. That, uh, and reporting back an example, we had a grandmother that has two collapsed ankles. Right. She's been on pain pills for years. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, uh, her son actually introduced her to this. She got rid of the pain pills and she can walk better now than she has has and has in years.
Speaker 3 01:26:04 Yes. That's
Speaker 0 01:26:04 Beautiful. Uh, we've had people report that they were struggling with insomnia, um, and again, taking sleeping pills mm-hmm. <affirmative> and all of a sudden they don't need 'em anymore.
Speaker 3 01:26:13 And that's to
Speaker 0 01:26:14 Feel free, that's to feel free. So it, it's, it's interesting in that it does, I've noticed myself that I get this wonderful feeling during the day, but at night I sleep deeper than I normally would sleep. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. It's also interesting that I have more and more vivid dreams. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> beautiful than I can ever remember.
Speaker 3 01:26:35 That's amazing.
Speaker 0 01:26:36 And we've had other people report the same thing that they've mm-hmm. <affirmative> have dreams to the level that they've never experienced before.
Speaker 3 01:26:42 That's awesome. I love dreaming, man.
Speaker 0 01:26:45 Yeah. It's just
Speaker 3 01:26:46 All I wanna do is dream, dream, dream, dream of you. <laugh>, I dream he move you. I love Roy Orbison, man.
Speaker 0 01:26:55 Yeah. He's and just a, one of a kind voice. Oh
Speaker 3 01:26:59 My God. And a beautiful man. Yeah. I've watched a couple documentaries on him, touches my soul.
Speaker 0 01:27:05 The traveling Willies. Yeah. This last stuff that he did. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>.
Speaker 3 01:27:09 Beautiful. So, okay. Well, let's ask you the question another way. Um,
Speaker 0 01:27:17 But, but now that I know what it does. Yeah, yeah. Uh, I mean, what I want this to do is I want this to be a, a better tool for people to use to solve these different issues that they're having. Whether that's, you know, sleep, or whether that's energy, or whether that's just, you know, anxiety,
Speaker 3 01:27:39 Depression.
Speaker 0 01:27:40 Depression, what, or just, you know, uh, you know, a holiday Yeah. Every so often just want, you know, want to feel good. Yeah. And, and, uh, we've had, you know, artists that are doing it mm-hmm. <affirmative> that said they feel more creative. Um, that's what gets me excited Yeah. Is that, you know, people are having these experiences and different types of experiences and, and knowing, you know, now that, um, you know, having done massive levels of it and, and lower levels that mm-hmm. <affirmative> even doing, you know, a lot of it over a period of time, um, that, you know, the withdrawal from it is, is no more severe than what, you know, it would be coming off caffeine.
Speaker 3 01:28:23 Yeah. And you know, the thing is, my experience of it is you don't need a lot. I think there's a lot of people that just abuse the hell out of everything, you know, and that's just their deal. Right.
Speaker 0 01:28:34 I mean, my experience with that is I've tried levels of doing, you know, three of 'em a day for over a month. And, um, you know, for me now it's, uh, you know, couple times a week I'll do it, you know, about two o'clock in the afternoon and just, it's just a wonderful experience.
Speaker 3 01:28:51 It is. It's, it's, you know, it's, it's enough to make me wanna share it with the world. I mean, Danny can tell you, I called him up and said, dude, <laugh>, this is the real deal, dude. I gotta get involved in this. This is medicine man.
Speaker 0 01:29:03 But, you know, if we can do this as an alternative to using all these manmade products Totally. That create all these other issues, uh, plus we're, we're, you know, we're not feeding that beast.
Speaker 3 01:29:15 Yes.
Speaker 0 01:29:16 Uh, which the corporate
Speaker 3 01:29:17 Monster
Speaker 0 01:29:18 Doesn't need to be fed. Yeah. Um, you know, to me that's a, that's a wonderful
Speaker 3 01:29:23 Thing. Yeah. It's a beautiful thing. So where's your values at? Obviously you're into organic, so, uh, you know what's gonna happen when, uh, you start getting bigger and bigger and, and, and, uh, the issue of volume is such that it's tempting to compromise. You're gonna hold the line.
Speaker 0 01:29:42 It, um, you know, what I would say is, is that I would rather, uh, have a scarcity of it than compromise that.
Speaker 3 01:29:50 Me too. Thank you. It's hard to find people like you in the world, especially people that are successful because they get addicted to making money and they start making compromises to make more and more money. And the next thing you know, you get something that started off good and ends up being shit.
1 Hour and 30 Minute Mark
Speaker 0 01:30:04 Well, that would ruin the whole thing.
Speaker 3 01:30:05 It would.
Speaker 0 01:30:06 And I, I put way too much time and effort into it and, and uh, you know, I would hate to see that, you know, cheapened
Speaker 3 01:30:14 Me too. Thank you. Takes takes the old boys from hardworking back ruin and hard knocks in life to finally get to the point where money doesn't, you know, Satan doesn't have a hold of
Speaker 0 01:30:27 Our lives. Well, the real the reality is, is that, you know, um, if you do that, everything else will take care of itself. Yeah. But the, the money will come. It does because you'll have something that's real, truly is good. It's real. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and you're doing it with the right intention and you know, the world will figure that out.
Speaker 3 01:30:45 Yeah. They, they,
Speaker 0 01:30:46 They'll respond to it.
Speaker 3 01:30:47 We're the proof of his right here, right now. It's, it's figuring it out right now. And, you know, people know I don't sell shit at all and I have high values. I wouldn't even be talking about this if I didn't really stand behind it. What I'd love to do is maybe just take us a quick trip through each of your drinks. So the energy drink there, I've tried that. Uh, I've given you a suggestion for what I think would enhance a little bit. You said you were on it mm-hmm. <affirmative>, so that's fantastic. But, uh, I found that that was quite uplifting. Um, I think the energy, you know, like if I'm, sometimes, um, I will work too many hours cuz I'm very passionate about my work. And so I typically get up around four to four 30 in the morning because I Same here. Yeah.
Speaker 3 01:31:30 I have to get in here before the kids are up to do my spiritual work. So I do my prayers and my astral work and work with spirit gods and power animals and kind of work with, you know, the inner dimensions of me to keep me in touch with the powers and uses of the unconscious. And, and then I, um, do my research reading. Cause I've been doing research for my next book for, uh, several years now. And I'm getting to the point now where I've got that, that orgasm experience coming where I've gotta get writing because I'm at the point now where the baby's wanting out of the birth canal. No. But I can't do that kind of work when people are around me. And kids can be very, as much as I love 'em, they're not good for that kind of work. So, point being is by four 30 in the afternoon, I've been at it for 12 hours and I often work till six o'clock and then I go and be with the kids have dinner. So oftentimes it's, you know, nine o'clock before I get to bed. So I'm, you know, doing long days. So there's times when I, I need to go in the gym and work out, but I feel like I could use a little pick me up. I don't, I, you know, I have a very strict threshold on espresso, which is one shot a day because if I cross that threshold, I get addicted. And I've had two bad bad rounds with caffeine addiction. I'm not doing that again. So
Speaker 0 01:32:50 Me too,
Speaker 3 01:32:51 A couple of times I've grabbed, uh, the GAC energy drink and I found it just put some wind in my sails. I had a great workout, felt fine, and just went on like normal. Uh, it's not something I drink every day to compensate for poor self-management or, you know, being silly about how I manage myself. But it is something that I found, uh, my body seemed to like it.
Speaker 0 01:33:14 Yeah. It's, um, it's interesting because that drink, um, caffeine content is, is comparable to a Red Bull
Speaker 3 01:33:23 Uhhuh <affirmative>, which, how, how much caffeine is that compared to say a cup of, uh, there's 300, 300 to 350 milligrams of caffeine in your typical drip uh, coffee that
Speaker 0 01:33:32 Has 124 in
Speaker 3 01:33:34 It. Oh, okay. So that's not even as much caffeine as just a Starbucks eight ounce cup of coffee. Right.
Speaker 0 01:33:39 So, um, but it's, it's coming from GAA and Gin Sing and, and those types of things. Yeah. So it's not, I don't drink, actually, it's interesting. I have a coffee company, but I don't drink coffee.
Speaker 3 01:33:49 Yeah. You're
Speaker 0 01:33:50 Telling me about that and never have That's, uh, wise. So this is my way to consume caffeine. Um, and I find gaa you know, it, it's a more of a time release caffeine. I love it. And you don't crash off of it.
Speaker 3 01:34:03 And it's actually not caffeine. I forgot the name of the
Speaker 0 01:34:05 Molecule. Yeah, it's, it's similar.
Speaker 3 01:34:07 It's a different kind of molecule, but I haven't had, you know, I've turned a lot of caffeine addicts onto gaa and I've never had anybody have any addiction problems with it at all. I can drink it for four or five days and not the next day. And I don't feel any, uh, addictive tendencies to it.
Speaker 0 01:34:22 One of the worst withdrawals I've ever had is I've, for some reason I've got an addiction to Diet Cokes for a period of time. Oh yes. I, and I was having four or five of 'em a day. Yeah. And I quit. And it's was unbelievable to withdrawal from it. Yes. The headaches, you, you couldn't, you couldn't consume enough aspirin to Yes. To
Speaker 3 01:34:39 Get rid of it. Are you familiar with what's called the cephalic phase response? Well, a cephalic phase response is what happens when you use a stimulant that stimulates the neurotransmitters in the brain to speed up. So every time you drink coffee or tea or anything that has, has a stimulating effect on the brain, it speeds up neurotransmitter production. But then you go into a rebound. So now the body goes through a withdrawal period where it has to slow down to balance itself out. So what hap what, what people, what the headaches are from is you, the more you take the system up, the lower it has to go to balance itself. So the headaches is a compensatory, um, response to the cephalic phase response, which most people, as you know, they drink coffee and then they get tired, they drink more coffee and they keep doing that all day long. And then they're also eating stuff with sugar in it, which also does the same thing. So, uh, the secret is, is you, you gotta find stuff that picks you up enough to give you the alertness you need, but without overdr the system or you go into the payback.
Speaker 0 01:35:47 Well, I think also, you know, I, you know, I had no, no idea until I started down this path about natural flavors.
Speaker 3 01:35:54 Right. I'm glad you found
Speaker 0 01:35:56 That. Natural flavors, you know, by law can be, they have to be 80% natural, 20% of 'em can be anything and they don't have to be disclosed.
Speaker 3 01:36:05 Yes, I'm
Speaker 0 01:36:06 Sure. Because there's proprietary blends.
Speaker 3 01:36:08 Yes.
Speaker 0 01:36:09 So, you know, having spent time in the process of doing all this, I, I went into flavor houses and learned more about exactly what they're doing and there's actually craving inducers chemicals that they're putting in there. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> that sets you up to one another. One, one another one. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And, but most people see that and they see natural flavors
Speaker 3 01:36:31 And they think it's natural.
Speaker 0 01:36:32 They should, I mean that's what it says. Right.
Speaker 3 01:36:36 Well,
Speaker 0 01:36:36 But it's, we
Speaker 3 01:36:37 Know marketing is all about lying effectively
Speaker 0 01:36:39 These days. Well, but it's, it's, the government has set it up that way. It's a, it's a con
Speaker 3 01:36:44 Well, you know, the the problem is, is we don't really have a government. We have a corporate headquarters. If we had a government, that shit wouldn't be happening. But yes, I agree. And, and I've
Speaker 0 01:36:53 Got, so I, I think, you know, courses on
Speaker 3 01:36:54 All this
Speaker 0 01:36:55 Stuff, the withdrawal is probably also withdrawal from those chemicals. Chemicals, yes. What whatever they are, because nobody knows Yeah. A lot of other than the people making them.
Speaker 3 01:37:04 Yeah. There are a lot, a lot of 'em are neuro stimulants and they're, they're, they cause a lot of things like headaches and insomnia, rebound insomnia. A lot of people things crash cars and stuff because when they aren't drinking, they're stimulant, drinker, whatever, all of a sudden they go down and the brain's not functioning and next thing you know, they're cutting their finger off with a saw at work or something. So, so,
Speaker 0 01:37:23 You know, learning that, you know, when we created the, the full line, I didn't want to include any of that in any of it.
Speaker 3 01:37:30 Thank you. Beautiful. So you got the energy, we talked about the sleep.
Speaker 0 01:37:36 The sleep
Speaker 3 01:37:37 And um, then you have the relax,
Speaker 0 01:37:41 Relax and relax also has kava in it.
Speaker 3 01:37:44 Okay. And then what was the other ones? I know you forgot one of them.
Speaker 0 01:37:48 <laugh>. Beauty.
Speaker 3 01:37:49 Beauty. So what is what, tell us about the beauty. I'm sure there's lots of women wanting to know about the beauty and probably
Speaker 0 01:37:54 Men too. The beauty. Beauty, the, the main thing about the beauty is, is the carotinoids in the G uh, most, most people probably don't know, but you know, lycopene, betaine, those carotinoids, they, when you consume them and they're in a bioavailable form, they go out and they layer, uh, right under your skin in the lower layers of your skin. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and they're plant pigments. And they do the same thing in your body as they do for fruits and vegetables. Uhhuh, <affirmative>. And that is, they reflect light.
Speaker 3 01:38:22 Oh, nice. So they have a protective effect against too much sunlight.
Speaker 0 01:38:25 So blue and ultraviolet light, which is what penetrates the deepest into your skin. Mm-hmm. And what's causes the damage in your skin.
Speaker 3 01:38:30 Mm-hmm. <affirmative> dust, the blue blocker glasses,
Speaker 0 01:38:32 They reflect that light and keep you from damaging your skin and, and they burn up in the process. So you have to keep, your body doesn't produce them. Right. You
Speaker 3 01:38:41 Gotta keep keep
Speaker 0 01:38:41 Bringing 'em in. So you have to replenish them. Replenishing
Speaker 3 01:38:43 Them. That's great.
Speaker 0 01:38:44 Um, they also do the same thing in your eyes. Mm-hmm. The zhan coat the retinas of your eyes and, and filter back or reflect back the, uh, blue vi, blue light violet light. Especially if you're staring at a screen a lot. Yes. You're getting a lot of exposure to that. Uh, we actually did a study where we tested in the Los Angeles area, thousands of people, their OID levels, you can actually test those levels. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, 85% of the people had, uh, lower levels than what they should have. Not even half of what they should have. And a lot of these people reported to us that they're were on extremely what they thought good diets. Yeah. Vegetarians and what have you. And when you started quizzing them, you could figure out what the deal was. The main problem is, is that, you know, our produce chain
Speaker 3 01:39:33 Is junk,
Speaker 0 01:39:34 Is all picked green and the moment you remove
Speaker 3 01:39:38 The plant from it roots
Speaker 0 01:39:39 The plant from the vine or from the tree. Yeah. It stops
Speaker 3 01:39:44 Producing the carotinoids.
Speaker 0 01:39:46 Stops producing the carotinoids. Yeah. A true example of that is if you see a peach that's left on the tree till it turns totally ripe is an iridescent mm-hmm. <affirmative> orange red, if you pull one off green and set it on a counter, it will ripen, but it won't be that same color. Mm. It will turn kind of an orange yellow, but it doesn't have that doesn't have the vibrancy, it doesn't have the iridescent sheen to it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> and that iridescent sheen is
Speaker 3 01:40:10 The light being bounced off cuz the
Speaker 0 01:40:12 Carotinoids carotinoids. Exactly. So it's got an an aura. Exactly.
Speaker 3 01:40:15 I'm gonna drink the beauty drink. Did you bring me
Speaker 0 01:40:17 Some? Uh, yes, you have some.
Speaker 3 01:40:19 Excellent. I'm gonna start, cuz you know, I'm, I'm
Speaker 0 01:40:21 So in addition to, I'm
Speaker 3 01:40:23 Getting over the hill here, I gotta drink
Speaker 0 01:40:24 Some beauty, man. So in addition to that, it also has coq 10 in
Speaker 3 01:40:28 It. Yes. We know Kq ten's got all sorts of benefits. Yeah. Heart stuff and everything else. If I remember right, it's been so many years since I studied all that technical nutrition. See, I'm lucky my, my wife Angie's a, a nutritionist. Wow. So whenever I have questions, I just go ask my textbook and, uh, thank God that my textbook's so beautiful and so smart. So I've been able to relax that, relax that part of my brain. Yeah. But it is, it, you know, these things are important.
Speaker 0 01:40:55 So the another one is sport.
Speaker 3 01:40:56 Sport. Yeah. What's in, I I've had sport,
Speaker 0 01:40:58 You know, growing up one of my favorite things was
Speaker 3 01:41:00 Gatorade. Yeah. I was gonna tell you it, I mean, I've, when I trace it tasted like a healthy Gatorade.
Speaker 0 01:41:05 I've, you know, loved Gatorade and I drank, you know, truckloads of it. And, but once I, you know, learned all this, I learned that Gatorades
Speaker 3 01:41:12 Garbage,
Speaker 0 01:41:13 Garbage <laugh>. Yeah. So, uh, what I went to work was try to create something that was, you know, what Gatorades should be. So in addition to the base G, we added, uh, the electrolytes. So magnesium, potassium, sea salt. Uh, we also added, uh, the beef vitamins Beautiful. In a, in a, you know, good concentration.
Speaker 3 01:41:36 Yeah. What, what's the source of the vitamins?
Speaker 0 01:41:39 Uh, the beef vitamins. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>,
Speaker 3 01:41:40 Uh, meaning are they natural or
Speaker 0 01:41:42 Are they Yes, it's, it's all natural. Good. Yeah. So, um, with that, it's a very, very hydrating drink. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, again, all natural mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, no sugar. Oh, 10 calories
Speaker 3 01:41:56 Because it's the gak, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 0 01:41:58 That's awesome. And it's just, it's it's extremely flavorful. Yeah. And it, and it, it tastes as close as I've seen of anything like a Gatorade. Um, I mean, it's just a wonderful drink.
Speaker 3 01:42:09 And I'm gonna share my own experience with that too. You, and you may or may not have had this feedback. I did actually a lot of research on sports strengths and I've written articles about it. And, um, years ago, my education director, Holly Spicer, her name's not Spicer anymore, but her boyfriend at the time was getting his master's in exercise in sports science. And he did his master's on, um, sports drinks. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> performance energy drinks. And he tested all the top, uh, sports drinks at the time, be the Gatorades and everything else that was on the margin, like 10 of them that he tested against an eight ounce glass of water with a level teaspoon of honey. And he did VO two max testing and stress testing on people. And he found that not one single one of those drinks outperformed a level teaspoon of honey in eight ounces of water. Yeah. And, um, one of the things that the research shows is because they're so concentrated that it ha the, the body has to pull water outta the muscles to dilute the drinks. And most of them sports strengths on the market have to be diluted 100%. So if there's eight ounces of drink, you need eight ounces of water to get it to enter your body fast enough to actually support your muscular system without dehydrating the
Speaker 0 01:43:27 Body. Well mo most of 'em are mainly synthetic. Yes. But again, they're not balanced. They're not, you know, so your body's really having to work its ass off to try to, to try to process it and use it.
Speaker 3 01:43:37 So the point that I was driving at when I did the sports drink, it tasted quite concentrated. Not, not in a negative way. A lot of people like that rich flavor mm-hmm. <affirmative>. But my instinct was that if I added 50% water to it, that it's dense enough that it would still hold its nice flavor and have, its effects with water added to it. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, that was just my own experience and having researched this stuff and experimented before. So I, I think that for those of you listening, if you get the sports drink and you find it, uh, a bit rich for you, just add some water to it and you'll still have a beautiful drink and it'll stretch further.
Speaker 0 01:44:18 That's great. That's a great idea. Yeah.
Speaker 3 01:44:20 And um, you know, some people like a real dense flavor. Some, especially
Speaker 0 01:44:24 When more people do than not.
Speaker 3 01:44:26 Right. But when it comes to lifting weights, I'm very sensitive. I can feel when my stomach's pulling, uh, water away from my working muscles. So, uh, I don't use sports drinks, but I wanted to try yours cause everything else I tried was so good. But, um, my next time I do it, I'm gonna put it in a water bottle and I'm gonna put half the sports drink in half water. Cuz my intuition is, I don't need that density of flavor myself. But, uh, it'd be fun for you to experiment with
Speaker 0 01:44:57 That. No, I'll try that.
Speaker 3 01:44:58 Yeah, it'd be fun. Try that. So did we cover all
Speaker 0 01:45:01 The drinks? So next one would be cleanse.
Speaker 3 01:45:03 Yeah. Tell me about that.
Speaker 0 01:45:04 Cleanse is again, the same amount and they all have the same amount of base G and then, which is where most of the nutrition's coming from. Uh, it also has activated charcoal, uh oh, good.
Speaker 3 01:45:15 Very
Speaker 0 01:45:16 Good. It has dandelion root nettles, uh, so all, you know, cleansing,
Speaker 3 01:45:23 Um, yes, good for the liver
Speaker 0 01:45:25 Agents. Um, and, um,
Speaker 3 01:45:28 Today that's very important. I mean, people, people don't know this, but research shows that no matter where you're at, even in downtown New York City, the air outside the building is 10 times cleaner than it is in the building. So if you're inside of most paint filtered buildings, you're breathing toxic air, which
Speaker 0 01:45:50 Is just crazy. And
Speaker 3 01:45:51 Having looked at the research paints almost every of the chemicals. Now, when I did this place, I used organic paint so I didn't have to deal with the outgassing. And, um, I'm, so, I'm real careful with all that stuff. But a new carpet will out gass 132 carcinogenic chemicals for the first year. It's on the floor, a new automobile out. Gass is 68,000 carcinogenic chemicals for the first year. So the point I'm making is people don't realize that they're swimming in a sea of toxins. Then you add all the food additives, preservatives, colorings, emulsifiers and flavors that are all synthetically derived. In fact, I encourage my students to buy a food additives dictionary and look up everything they see on the package and they will be shocked at the side effects. I researched this for years and came to the conclusion just based on my experience that from looking up literally hundreds of these chemicals and then I went back through, cuz I always, I have a habit of highlighting everything I look up in the dictionary cuz research shows on average you gotta look a word up three times before you memorize it.
Speaker 3 01:46:56 And so I've got about 30 different dictionaries. There's two shelves of them over there from different fields that I study. And when I calculated out how many of the ingredients in that food additives dictionary had gastrointestinal inflammation as a side effect, it was about 33 to 35%. Meaning you've got about a 33 to 35% chance of eating anything that you buy at the store that's gonna inflame your gut, which leads to leaky gut syndrome and yeah. Metabolic problems and, and sh just a shit chain of bad effects. So the point I'm making at is, you know, I live out here as you know, uh, you know, in a beautiful outdoor kind of paradise. And my house is, uh, the house is built in 95, so it's out gassed and there's not a bunch of new stuff. So it's pretty safe. But for the average person, you should be drinking or eating detox herbs and, and things like that. So it's a great drink for the average person to just use prophylactically and, and, and to keep the body cleaning and supporting
Speaker 0 01:48:01 The liver. And it's not something that I consume, you know, on a daily basis. But I have a ritual on Sundays that I do, you know, I do, um, lymphatic treatment. Oh good. I do coal plunge mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then sauna. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. And then I'm, I'm consuming the, uh, the cleanse at the same time. So it's kind of my detox
Speaker 3 01:48:21 Day. I'll, I'll start adding that because I, I do, cuz I like to vaporize my herbs. I find that if I don't get in the sauna at least once every three days, I start feeling backed up. And right now the pool's about 50 degrees. So within three laps I'm numb. So I go get hot sweat in the sauna, then jump in the swimming pool and uh, I'll add your detox drink to the routine.
Speaker 0 01:48:44 Okay.
Speaker 3 01:48:44 It's good. Good combo.
Speaker 0 01:48:46 And then the, the last one, sleep.
Speaker 3 01:48:48 Right. That's a big one.
Speaker 0 01:48:50 And, um, what's, you know, I had no idea that, that so many people were struggling with sleep. Oh my god. It's terrible. It's, it's been a very popular, um, um, one of the group and, um, it has, um, magnesium and, um, you know, other natural herbs that, um, you know, help you sleep, passion, flour, things like that.
Speaker 3 01:49:16 Beautiful. So I'm curious, Danny, of these drinks that you've tried, what's your experience with them?
Speaker 4 01:49:24 Um, I, I mean I, I really love the, I've tried, tried 'em all. Um, I, I like the consistency, I like the density of it, but you know, like to hydrate one, if I am working out and it's sweating excessively, it's good to spread out some water in there. So what you were saying could be good for a long duration of athletic performance. Yeah. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, instead of just drinking one after another. But I really enjoy the flavor. I, I enjoy the consistency or the texture, the taste. And, um, I've had, you
Speaker 3 01:49:53 Know, I like the natural taste to it. It doesn't taste like, uh, a, a commercial shit. No. It tastes
Speaker 0 01:49:58 Natural. You know what, we've had a lot of people comment that it, it's filling. Yes. And I'm gonna, um,
Speaker 3 01:50:03 Scott body, well
Speaker 0 01:50:05 My response to that is it's filling cuz it has a lot of nutrition. Yeah. Nutrition's what actually fills you up. If you're eating empty, you know, food,
Speaker 3 01:50:13 Then you keep craving,
Speaker 0 01:50:14 You just keep consuming, you know, over consuming it. Yeah. But if you have, if you have an high nutrition contents, it's filling
Speaker 3 01:50:20 Yeah. The satiety centers in the brain look for nutrients that you need.
Speaker 4 01:50:23 It's got volume, it's substance in there. You can feel it. Yes. And taste it. It does give you, you know, that sort of, you know, feeling of contentness or it makes you feel content that you've had something with substance. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. So if you aren't gonna eat a meal, I feel like yeah. It's, it's definitely, you know, it's got some volume or substance and kind of fill, closes or fills that gap. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, especially if you're in an athletic situation, it's not easy to consume food cuz your system kind of shuts down your, your appetite or mine, at least when I'm worked up mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I, I, I don't, it takes a while for me to get an appetite going. Mm-hmm. <affirmative> having something like that, that's easy to get down. It has a ton of nutrients in it. Um, the, the sea salt aspect, all of that, it's, it's very beneficial. I have a facility in Hawaii where I, um, I have a, you know, my own skate structures or, or facility there and uh, you know, it's, you know, sometimes 95, a hundred degrees so humid and the sun's baking. Yes. I mean all this gear, whatever. Yes. So I've gone through a series of experiments with different things to deal with muscle cramping and, uh, definitely see, you know, that, that the formulation on that drink has, um, you know, curbed some of that, uh,
Speaker 3 01:51:39 Just the sports drink.
Speaker 4 01:51:40 Yeah. Um, so it, you know, um, it checks a lot of boxes and, and there's not many things out there that I, you know, I would make my own concoctions for a while I was mixing sea salt in my drink with coconut water and kombucha. I had a, my own little concoction, not a kombucha con coconut water and sea salt that I would mix. And that's, you know, so having a a, you know, and that there, there's some nutrients in there and, and, and the sea salt, when I, when I started to experience that, I, I was able to last for a couple more hours Oh great. Um, by just having the extra salt in my drink. And, uh, so I think it's an amazing drink. The sl the, the relaxed one. Also a good, great chill drink, you know, to, to, to kind of wind down the end of the day. Um, I'm a fan of all of the, the whole line of, uh, products. I, I haven't really dove into the beauty one yet. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, now that I know much more about it, let's, we can all use a little bit more <laugh> beauty in our life so
Speaker 0 01:52:35 We all can use more of that.
Speaker 3 01:52:36 Yeah. We're, we're, you know, we're getting older here. Yeah,
Speaker 4 01:52:38 For sure. So,
Speaker 3 01:52:39 But we're still full of fire, aren't we?
Speaker 4 01:52:41 Hey
Speaker 0 01:52:42 Man,
Speaker 4 01:52:43 I mean, I, I have a little ways to go based on our little rock gardening experience here today. The guys that are, you know, 10, 10 years older than me are, uh, out there lifting harder. So I got a little work to do
Speaker 3 01:52:52 Here. I had a young stud in here that was priding himself on his strength. So I got tired of the show and I said, let me see you do this. So I jumped up and banged off a bunch of single arm chin-ups for 'em and Oh yeah, you couldn't even get one. So I said, okay, quit talking about how strong you are for a while here buddy, cuz you're, I'm old enough to be your daddy <laugh>. But, uh, so I sometimes I have to level the, uh, young fiery guys cause they've, they've lost touch with what it means to be strong. That's the problem. Even the athletes are getting the, the level of of, of uh, overall strength and fitness in the athletes is dropping just like the average person is getting fatter and unhealthier. So what's happened, cuz they don't really have many people to compare themselves to. And the ones that are doing all the Aztec or stuff are, you know, either taken steroids or they're using all sorts of stimulants and, you know, drinking piles of Red Bull or Monster or, or you know, other words. They're short-cutting the system and they end up burning themselves out and becoming one hit wonders. But I'm into this for the long game, you know?
Speaker 4 01:53:55 Absolutely. Just longevity is everything. So.
Speaker 3 01:53:59 Yeah. And you know, Danny, shit, you just showed me that new video you made. You're 40 what? Seven you said?
Speaker 4 01:54:04 46.
Speaker 3 01:54:05 46. And you're still doing wild ass fucking crazy stunts.
Speaker 4 01:54:09 Well, I'm trying to keep the dream alive <laugh>, you know. Yeah. That's pretty smart. We got some good role models to look up to here.
Speaker 3 01:54:14 Yeah. Well yeah. You know me and you've been going at it a while. I'm glad I got you when you were young cause I taught you some good habits and thank you for using them.
Speaker 4 01:54:23 Oh, it's been my bible to survival, man.
Speaker 3 01:54:25 Yeah. You know, the thing I love about why I really wanted Danny to be in the podcast mm-hmm. With us is cuz he's the perfect canary in the coal mine. No
Speaker 4 01:54:33 Doubt.
Speaker 3 01:54:33 Because his body is so sensitive. Yeah. And he's got so much pain. If he drinks stuff that makes his body more inflamed or worse, it's not gonna last long with him. Right. He'll toss it out. And as I said, he's never brought me anything but great stuff in my entire, you know, 28 years.
Speaker 4 01:54:49 Well, I, yeah,
Speaker 3 01:54:50 19 or 46 is a long time, so I know, you know, he, he's not gonna tell me about anything cuz he knows the first thing I'm gonna do is tell him, what the hell you doing? Bringing me this shit <laugh>.
Speaker 4 01:55:01 That's true. I'm always a little bit like, well, I, you know, I hope I hit this one on the nose, but I'm pretty sure Paul will bless this. But it's always a little bit like <laugh> if I bring something over there, I don't wanna ruin my resume of credibility. It's eating shitty, but always little getting anxiety on the way over and going, Hey, check this out. I'm
Speaker 3 01:55:18 Very forthright, <laugh>,
Speaker 4 01:55:20 You'll say it how it is right away. So, but it's a good filter though. It's, you know.
Speaker 3 01:55:25 Yeah. Well, you know, I love you enough to be honest. That's the thing. Yeah. And, uh, shit, I've watched you go through so much, man, it's amazing. You've made it through this minefield of, you know, wow. The amount of surgeries you've had and the amount of stuff you've done and fuck watching your video of you jump in the Great Wall of China's enough to just Yeah, that's incredible. Give incredible everybody an adrenaline rush that'll last about two weeks. Incredible. Uh, I remember when he jumped out of the helicopter into the bulls, like 35 feet in the air and he, when you dislocated your shoulder
Speaker 4 01:55:57 Yeah, well the, the first attempt Yeah. I, I, I landed and fell and fell back on my arm and tweaked my elbow and smashed my, you know, my helmet with my elbow. That's how far I stretched my shoulder up. Yeah. But I tore the labrum and, and some rotator cuff stuff and,
Speaker 3 01:56:13 And you had a doctor put it back in and he jumped back in the helicopter and then landed. I'm like, Jesus Christ, this guy, he's got, you
Speaker 4 01:56:21 Know, yeah. I mean, this happened on a weekend and it was on a Friday and there was an, actually, there was a contest the next day, like a high air contest, and I was kind of the, you know, it was my creation, this event, essentially. It was on a new ramp design that I came up with and, you know, the high air contest was what I was really there for. Yeah. And they wanted me to jump, it was just at the Hard Rock Hotel in Las Vegas and at the MTV Sports Music Festival they hosted there. And they wanted me to jump outta the helicopter, you know, to kind of set off the event the first day. And I was a little bit like, oh, maybe I should do this on the last day. But they're like, no, we have it scheduled for Friday. And the, the big air contest was, it was on the Sunday, so there, Saturday was the practice for the big air contest. Sunday was the event. And so I started out my weekend with just tearing my shoulder to pieces. So, oh, I had to, you know, wake up the next day. I didn't practice for the high air contest. I waited till Sunday, but I, I competed, um, I taped my, my, my shoulder up. So I had limited range of motion. And, uh, by the grace of God, I won the high air contest. And then yeah, baby, the next morning I was on the surgery table with Previte.
Speaker 3 01:57:25 I bet, man. Yeah, yeah, I know. And you, your great wall of China jump, you hurt your ankle in the first run.
Speaker 4 01:57:31 Yeah. And that's, yeah, that's left me with a lifelong, uh, memory. Ail, man, ankles are tough. My ankle is pretty tweaked from that. But, you know, I don't know if, you know, I I don't necessarily say I would take it back. I'm kind of disappointed that I had to walk away with that kind of, uh, scar, you know, that I gotta live with for the rest of my life. But, you know, the, the irony of that was worth every bit of it. And, um, so yeah, I'm, and I'm still, you know, it's not the end and I'm, you know, and who knows what the future future holds right now. But, uh, I think I still have some more of these experiences ahead of me that I'll probably have to face and endure. It just comes with the territory. So
Speaker 3 01:58:11 You're the ultimate warrior athlete, dude.
Speaker 4 01:58:14 There's a point in no return. You know, like, I think I hit the point a long time ago where I was like, if I stop now, what am I gonna do? And I'm gonna live with so much of this baggage now. Um, you know, why not just keep going? And the more I keep going, the more, the less I focus on these ailments versus, you know, allowing them to, um, run my life essentially.
Speaker 3 01:58:37 Well, as a, as a great psychologist, Jerry Wesh once said, when you have a big enough dream, you don't need a crisis. And so you're just staying with your dream. I think we all are, you know? Yep.
Speaker 4 01:58:48 So when the wheels fall off, they'll fall off at one point. Hopefully not anytime soon, but I'm, I'm riding this, I'm gonna drive this car till the wheels fall. I mean, I'm, I'm kind of riding on some rims right now, a couple rims mm-hmm. <affirmative> going on bone. We're bone on bone in a couple places. But, you know, I, I've, I've come to the conclusion that I, you know, I've led a path of, you know, kind of being a test dummy for other people and experimenting, you know, with a lot of things that most people will never have to cross a bridge with cuz they have not put themselves in these predicaments. But yeah, if I can be, uh, you know, the Guinea pig and experiment, experiment, you know, basically turn my lifestyle into somewhat of an experiment to educate others. Yes. So,
Speaker 3 01:59:27 And it has
Speaker 4 01:59:28 It, I've had, yeah. I mean, the amount of people that come to me, you know, looking for advice or direction or resources is endless. It's just like in my culture, most people turn, turn to me when they need advice. I mean, I'm not a doctor or anything. Usually. I, you know, I pointed a lot of people your direction too. Cause I'm like, this is outta my league, but Yeah. The one thing I can provide is Paul check
Speaker 3 01:59:49 <laugh>.
Speaker 4 01:59:49 Yeah. But it took me a lot to find him too. And you wanted know story about that. You don't want to go through that process either.
Speaker 3 01:59:54 No, no. That was, that was, uh, that was bad news. You know, honestly, uh, there's not many people in the world that could have rehabbed you from that injury. It was the
2 Hour Mark
Speaker 4 02:00:03 Univers. There's nobody,
Speaker 3 02:00:03 The universe was doing some fancy work there.
Speaker 4 02:00:06 I mean, I went through, I don't know, dozen peop, dozens of, I mean, countless, uh, people, you know, physicians, therapists, chiropractors. Not one person was able to identify the problem, especially within five minutes of simi.
Speaker 3 02:00:22 Well, the other thing is, even if they did know how to figure out what the problem was, they wouldn't have known enough about conditioning, diet and lifestyle to put you back together for the duration. And, you know, one of my proudest achievements in my therapeutic career was the day you went back to skating after almost, what, four and a half, five months of intensive therapy seeing me multiple times a week and, and a lot of conditioning. And you won your first contest back. So I earned my spiritual woody that day.
Speaker 4 02:00:52 That's a really big benchmark in my career. Not because you know so much about winning the contest, but just like, you know, again, just
Speaker 3 02:00:59 Coming back from the grave,
Speaker 4 02:01:00 Coming back from the grave and, you know, almost looking in the mirror and being acceptant of, I'm, I gotta ride this, this, you know, this dream off. Maybe at this point, being at that crossroads is pretty scary. And, uh, you know, to, to reel it back in at that point is just, you know, the amount of confidence that gave me, you know mm-hmm. <affirmative> about looking at other situations that have unfolded in my life since then of, you know, the, the mentality, you know, the strength that that gave me and the wisdom. It's, it's saved my life in so many other ways that it took going through, you know, a, a horrific situation like that. But I don't know if I'd be sitting here today, um, telling you that it's not over and I'm still going <laugh> if that didn't happen. And that almost took me out forever.
Speaker 4 02:01:48 So, yeah. It's crazy. You know, how things, everything happens for a reason and mm-hmm. <affirmative>, you know, I wish I still had those two discs in my neck Yeah. That I don't have. And it's a, you know, that's a degeneration byproduct of that situation over time. Yeah. And countless falls since then, but mm-hmm. <affirmative>, the education I got through my experience of meeting you and, and really taking everything that you advised me and, and taught me in and, and really, you know, integrating that into my life and, and my, my being and, and, and, you know, really, you know, just living the truth of that and, and staying the course on it has given me longevity. Like, if I didn't have that injury, you know, I might, you know, I don't know where I'd be at right now. I might not have as much neck, you know, trouble as often as I do, but, you know, the amount of other injuries that I've been able to overcome.
Speaker 3 02:02:37 Yeah. Well, you learned how to deal with an injury, right? I taught you how to do what I call surrounding the dragon. Do what you can do and keep active, keep engaged, keep your mind where it needs to be, and then progressively work your way back up like a spiral, right. You start where you're at and you keep going. Most people just get told by doctors and therapists, oh, you shouldn't do that. You shouldn't move, lay on the bed, take this drug. But that, that's, that's a, that's a, you know, we don't need to go into how bad of a road that is, unfortunately. Yeah. But, um, one thing you got though, Danny, is when it's time to say, okay, that's enough. You got your music career and you can come hang out with me and we'll get your art career going too <laugh>. And by then, you know, Jerry have figured out something else for us to explore and experiment, and hopefully I'll get together with Jerry and we'll put our minds together and create some neat shit too. Yeah. I got some ideas.
Speaker 0 02:03:35 Can't wait to hear it.
Speaker 3 02:03:36 I got some amazing coffee ideas. Yeah. Too. I've been working on, you know, my, one of my fantasies has always been owned to own my own coffee roasting center and, and, uh, coffee shop with smoke shop mixed into it and have art and poetry and music and a place for like, sharing the joys of good espresso, good smoke, but, but higher expression of the arts and creativity. That's kind of my retirement dream. Cool. But, uh, Jerry, before I forget, when we look at these products, are there any, uh, contraindications or people that have conditions that you can think of that maybe they shouldn't use to feel free or the energy drink or anything like that? Have you looked at to that at all?
Speaker 0 02:04:19 Yeah, the, the, the suite of, uh, G based drinks, all of those are appropriate for, for anyone. Um, the, uh, feel free drink is, it's a very strong tonic. Um, I would, uh, you know, we have on the label that's a typical that, uh, it's not for women that are pregnant or breastfeeding. And, you know, if you're taking any kind of, you know, manmade, uh, drugs, probably good to, you know, talk to a doctor first before you, you know, add, mix them, mix that together. Uh, interesting enough, as I said before, we're hearing numerous people that, you know, once they start trying this, they're throwing the drugs, the manmade drugs away. Yeah. Which to me is this makes me feel wonderful.
Speaker 3 02:05:10 Yeah. And just think of the decrease in toxicity in their body alone. Yeah. Let alone the other side effects of the drugs. But the toxicity of drugs is just wicked.
Speaker 4 02:05:19 I have some friends that are going into surgeries right now and just had, I've had injuries, and these would be people that would be typically probably, you know, just by default, you know, victim to Western medicine and probably would've consumed pain, uh, medication if they weren't, uh, educated or aware of these products. And, uh, you know, as myself has used Prum, you know, I've gone into several surgeries now where I have not used any pain medication, but crao prior and crao after, and was able to be completely content with some pretty serious surgery without using any synthetic drugs or, um, you know, any western medicine sort of protocol like that mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Um, but yeah, it's a, it's, it's beautiful that I have friends that, you know, are like, thank God for, you know, and it's the same experience that I had when my friends showed me the way that, you know, these other people are just like, wow, I had no idea this existed. And, you know, hopefully it becomes, hopefully we can take this to a level where, you know, it becomes more, you know, the mainstream awareness sort of spreads and, and it can, you know, be a benefit and it can give other people the same alternative. And to be able to, you know, uh, find a another path of sustainable path, a healthy path. And, uh, and, and also, you know, not support the, the corporate big pharma stuff too.
Speaker 3 02:06:39 Corporate dragons. Um, now, you know, Dave Harper was gonna be here. He's your marketing director, right? Correct. Yes. And he had an emergency and couldn't make it, but he, he shared this beautiful plan that you guys are working on. Can you elaborate a little bit on that? What you're bringing the athletes in and all
Speaker 0 02:06:59 That stuff? On a very high level, he, he's much better at, uh, our, since it's his, it's his baby. His baby. Yeah. But, um, you know, what we want to do is after hearing, you know, from Danny, his experience and hearing from other, uh, athletes too. Yeah.
Speaker 3 02:07:13 And, and I saw Robbie Madison's in the lineup, right? I love Robbie Madison. Yeah. You must love Robbie too,
Speaker 4 02:07:19 Man. Love Robbie. Robbie. He's the best man.
Speaker 3 02:07:22 Such a, he is just the coolest fucking guy, man. Sorry for swearing, but, you know, I do that now and then, but know, how do you describe Robbie, but just cool as shit, man. That, that he's like you, Danny. I mean, that guy is, he's been through hell a lot of times. And, you know, he came to me with a career stopper, you know, about his aorta, right?
Speaker 4 02:07:40 Yes.
Speaker 3 02:07:41 Yeah. So they, he was told he could never race or do anything again. And he was scared to death and paralyzed of fear because this, he had a rib that got pushed right into his aorta and his heart.
Speaker 0 02:07:53 Oh, yeah. Saw, I
Speaker 3 02:07:54 Saw that. Yeah. Yeah. None of the doctors or therapists would touch it cuz they were a afraid he'd bleed to death. So he said, Paul, what the hell do I do? And, uh, I said, you lay on the table. And eight minutes later he was all straightened out and I put him on a corrective exercise and stretching program and taught him how to use cold therapies and things like that. And he's gone out and done all sorts of magic since,
Speaker 4 02:08:19 Well, he's on our, he's a prospective ambassador. If anything, I just want him to get some products so he can use it. He has a, I know he has a pretty big deal with Red Bull, so I don't know if there's a conflict of interest there, but beyond that he just, you know, has a good friend and, and a guy that is also a, you know, uh, a human experiment. And, and, you know, <laugh>
Speaker 3 02:08:40 <laugh>, by the way, if you don't know who Robbie Madison is, just search him on the internet. He's broken all of evil Al's records. He's a motorcycle stuntman. He's in James Bond movies and all sorts of cool stuff. And he is one of the coolest cats. One of the most beautiful souls. He's just a soul brother. So I, when I saw him on the list of people in your mm-hmm. <affirmative> in your, uh, project there, I was like, oh, cool. So yeah, give us the overview.
Speaker 0 02:09:04 Yeah. So the thing is, it's, um, it's, um, a series of what we call the feel Free adventures.
Speaker 3 02:09:10 Oh, neat.
Speaker 0 02:09:10 Yeah. And these are, you know, uh, adventures and different places around the world Yeah. That, uh, will bring a group of what we call legends together. Yes. And with the legends also, we'll will come a younger group too. And it's just, you know, it's, it's a bunch of, uh, people, you know, getting together that are the, you know, the best or, or coming up to be the best in their specific, you know, sport or activity. Yes. And going and doing things that they normally wouldn't do as a group. Um, learning, it's a soul connection. Learning from each other on what they're doing, especially, you know, some of the older guys mm-hmm. <affirmative> things that, you know, allow 'em to continue Yeah. And to stay in the game. Um, and then the foundation of that is you Mm. Thank you. And bringing 'em here and doing, you know, the foundational work of, you know, here's the things we need to do, not just physically, but mentally, spiritually,
Speaker 3 02:10:07 Emotionally.
Speaker 0 02:10:08 Yeah. Emotion emotionally.
Speaker 3 02:10:09 I call it soul camp. I wanna put 'em through
Speaker 0 02:10:11 Soul Camp. Right. And, um, you know, getting 'em primed to go do these things because we're gonna be doing things that are different than what they normally would do. Yeah.
Speaker 3 02:10:20 Good.
Speaker 0 02:10:20 Um, grow 'em and then we'll, you know, we'll, uh, uh, you know, create content and all, all that and mm-hmm. <affirmative> and, um, you know, share it with
Speaker 3 02:10:28 Whirl. I'm excited. I I love Dave's plan. Dave's got a, a quite a genius mind you, you can really see. He's, it's, it's almost like a form of art for him, it seems. It is. You know? Yes. It's not just business. It's a form of
Speaker 0 02:10:40 Art. Yeah. He's, he's
Speaker 4 02:10:41 A sharp cat,
Speaker 0 02:10:42 Very, very talented when it comes to
Speaker 3 02:10:44 That. He's another Australian special cat, you know.
Speaker 4 02:10:47 Yeah. He's got a great vision for all that. And it's gonna be exciting.
Speaker 3 02:10:51 I'm glad he's over here. Yeah. The Aussies are gone fricking crazy with all their injections and rules and regulations. It's like they're as bad as England or worse. That's like, unbelievable. So all you Ozzies get over here and be with us, man.
Speaker 0 02:11:05 <laugh>. So the plan is starting to feel free, <laugh>. Yeah. The, the plan is starting next year is to, you know, do you know probably three or four of those per year.
Speaker 3 02:11:13 Yeah. Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah.
Speaker 0 02:11:15 And,
Speaker 3 02:11:15 And get some young people
Speaker 0 02:11:16 Moving through each and get some young people. And hopefully the young people kind of, you know, learn something from the older people and the older people learn something from the younger people. You know, it's, it works both ways.
Speaker 4 02:11:26 And the older people learn stuff from each other,
Speaker 0 02:11:28 Other learn something from each other.
Speaker 4 02:11:29 But you put, you put a lineup of guys, these legends, you know, together, you know, this cast that we want to curate is, you know, these are all pioneers and innovators and, and very, very special mi you know, unique beings. And, and, uh, you know, there is a lot of commonality or, or there's a lot of, um, synergy, you know, camaraderie in our interests, in our mindsets. Yeah. They might not be, you know, the way that we might not, you know, word it the same way or interpret it the same way. Yeah. But, well, we probably interpret it the same way, but, you know, the, our processes align on a lot of levels.
Speaker 3 02:12:04 Yeah.
Speaker 4 02:12:05 But they're applied in different ways.
Speaker 3 02:12:07 Different religion, same message.
Speaker 4 02:12:09 Exactly.
Speaker 0 02:12:10 And then, you know, overarching, I think it'll just be a hell of a lot of
Speaker 3 02:12:13 Fun. Yes, of
Speaker 0 02:12:14 Course. Yes. I mean, it'll be something that, you know, that you know, will create new bonds Yeah. And create memories, you know, that,
Speaker 3 02:12:20 You know. Yes. Beautiful. And, um, I've gotta hook you up with my senior instructor, Matt Walden. He's developed a program that would fit really well in with this. Okay. I won't reveal it cuz it's his proprietary information, but it's gorgeous what he's created and it just dawned on me hearing you talk. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, I've gotta connect you Jerry, to Matt cuz I really love you to see this program cuz it's something the world really needs right now. And it's a gorgeous plan. He's got to really help connect wise people with the people that need help. And, uh, it's a special system. And, uh, for those of you that are interested, I have a series of podcasts with Matthew Walden, the first of which is on my podcast. It's called The Honest Vegetarian. And then at the Zeva, our social media site, which is, uh, www.chekiva.com. You can find tons of free check education from me and all the instructors. And you can find the rest of the, I believe five. It's a five. It's either a five or a six part series called the Honest Vegetarian, which is probably the most complete exploration of, of different diets at the physical, emotional, mental and spiritual level in the world. So Matt Walden is a genius and he is, uh, my co-creator of that series if you're interested. But, um, uh, was there anything else on that, Jerry? I'm really excited about that, that's why I brought it
Speaker 0 02:13:48 Up. No, that's, it's, uh, you know,
Speaker 3 02:13:49 Uh, I'm
Speaker 0 02:13:50 Excited to work. It's pretty much it. Like I said, if I wish Dave could've made it, cuz he can, I
Speaker 3 02:13:53 Wish he could too. You know, I
Speaker 0 02:13:54 Wish he's extremely passionate about it. Yes. And it is, you know, he's, he's the one that, you know, created the idea. And,
Speaker 3 02:14:00 And you know, I, I love being around geniuses and Ja Dave obviously has a genius. You have a genius. Danny has a genius. My is what it is. But, you know, I believe every single human being is a genius. But what happens, most people's parents tell 'em what they shouldn't be doing or can't be doing and what they have to do and then school railroads them. And I love it when, I mean, can you imagine young people being around Danny Way, Robbie Madison, and a lot of these great genius minds that have broken through all the barriers that everybody told 'em they should never do. Only do you become very successful and push their entire field of athletics way to a new level. Right?
Speaker 4 02:14:45 Yeah. I mean, if you can break down the processes of some of these geniuses and dissect 'em and, and you know, be able to educate people on how all these guys are, how they tick, that's some of the most valuable information I think that is, you know, it's, you
Speaker 0 02:14:59 Know, it's, well, most content you see out there is just the, the, the final act, whatever that is. And whatever sport, it's not, you know, what does it take to get there?
Speaker 3 02:15:08 Yes. Very few people realize the
Speaker 0 02:15:10 Sacrifices. And then not only what does it take to get there, stay there, what does it take to stay there?
Speaker 3 02:15:14 Stay there. Yeah.
Speaker 0 02:15:15 Uh, and that's really more of what we want to focus on, um, than just showing, you know, another, you know, trick shot or
Speaker 3 02:15:23 Whatever. Yeah. I mean, when I get young guys working out with me or lifting stones, the first thing they say is, what steroids do you use? And I laugh at 'em. I say, you obviously know nothing about steroids because if you did, you wouldn't even be asking me that question cuz I don't look anything like a steroid user. Nor do I have any of the indicators of steroid use at all. So here's what I tell 'em. Okay. I'll tell you what drugs I use. They're very complicated names. Can you say chicken, tomato, <laugh> lettuce, us good sleep, good food, good sex. Uh, because really, you know, I watch so many athletes trying to take shortcuts to get to the top, and they don't realize that there is no shortcuts. There is no such thing as a shortcut. Not if you wanna be sustainable and authentic, you, you really, the, the only shortcut is wisdom and hard work.
Speaker 3 02:16:16 And the only way you get the wisdom is to have the experience of doing the work. Or you, you just become somebody who was here for a day and no one remembers you tomorrow. You know? Right. Um, I'm curious, what is in Jerry when you look into your crystal ball, what's the future for the Gak products and, uh, botanic, tonics feel free product? What's, when you look into the crystal ball and say, what do I see happening in the world as these get more known and out there? What what's the knock on effect that you vision?
Speaker 0 02:16:49 Well, I, I'm, you know, having done other things international, I'm not just thinking about, you know, north America. Good. Uh, an example would be with, with Gak. Uh, we're actually launching that in four countries in Asia as we speak. Excellent. So, uh, and I kinda like the, the, the thought of that, that we're taking something from in Asia, bringing it here Yeah. And putting it in a new form mm-hmm. <affirmative> and then, you know, taking it back to Asia. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, um, we did some preliminary, you know, test over there, market test and, um, they'd never thought about consuming it in a drink.
Speaker 3 02:17:23 <laugh>. Right. That's beautiful. What a surprise. It takes a white,
Speaker 0 02:17:26 But, but they, but they love it.
Speaker 3 02:17:27 A white guy from the United States to show him how to use their Asian stuff. So, which brings up a a point, this is sort of a segue, but I I I just feel compelled to say, you know, we were having all this racist stuff going on, not too, in the not too distant past Right. Around the covid thing. Right. And I think, how do people keep doing that shit when they don't realize that we all bring such beauty to each other? I mean, what would the world be like if it was only white people playing music or only white people in the kitchen or,
Speaker 0 02:17:59 You know, it, it'd be pretty damned dull.
Speaker 3 02:18:01 Yeah. Think of dance, think of, uh, everything. Right. And, and, and so what brought that outta me is like, you are going to an Asian country and accessing something that's tradition to them, but then also bringing them a new way to use it. And we, we need each other. I mean, how do people make such terrible distinctions based on three millimeters of superficial skin? When if I was to skin people and say, okay, show me who's black, who's Japanese, who's Chinese, et cetera. Nobody could do it unless they were a highly skilled, uh, anatomist or medical doctor. So I, I just love hearing that you're bringing these things into other countries and you're bringing the fruits. I mean, I never even knew what a gak fruit was until you showed
Speaker 0 02:18:46 No,
Speaker 3 02:18:46 Nobody does. Right. Right. So the, this, this, that's the beauty, right? We need each other. We need each other's genius. We need each other's food. We need each other's, um, traditional medical wisdom, farming wisdom. Like right now with what's going on in the world, we gotta circle the globe and hold hands and share the best we got and take care of this planet. Or, you know, issues of racism compared to what's really going on in the world are such a radically silly distraction. It just, it makes me sick to my stomach that even have to talk about these things at this time in the evolution of, man, it's
Speaker 0 02:19:23 Like, it's so ignorant.
Speaker 3 02:19:24 It is.
Speaker 0 02:19:25 It's sad. It's the most ignorant
Speaker 4 02:19:26 Thing that we're dealing with, I think <laugh> on this planet. Yeah. Racism, skin
Speaker 3 02:19:31 Color. Yeah. It's, um,
Speaker 4 02:19:33 A diversity and cultural background is what brings flavor and spice and Yeah. You know, it's like you need, you know, it's like you need that. It
Speaker 3 02:19:41 Was the, the documentary I told you to watch, I think it's called Rumble, about the Native American Indians contribution to rock and roll.
Speaker 4 02:19:48 I Oh yeah, you were telling me about that.
Speaker 3 02:19:50 Yeah. I think it's called Rumble. Phenomenal documentary. And it just broke my heart. It showed how the Indians were treated worse than the blacks and just abused. And the how horrible white man wouldn't let 'em do their ceremonial dances cuz it gave them too much power and they couldn't control 'em. Right. And it just broke my heart. It just broke my heart. It, it's, we have so much to share with each other and, and
Speaker 4 02:20:16 I mean these cultures are the things they're sharing with us and
Speaker 3 02:20:19 Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. I mean there's so much love is what heals everything. Right. Love men's broken bones, love men's broken hearts, love men's broken cultures and societies and you know, you never see an experience more love than when you do in what you love to do. Right. Jerry, how does it feel to be doing what you love to do?
Speaker 0 02:20:43 It's fulfilling.
Speaker 3 02:20:44 How does it feel to be doing what you love to do?
Speaker 4 02:20:46 Very blessed and very grateful.
Speaker 3 02:20:48 Right. You know how I got proof that I'm doing what I love to do. Cuz you two are sitting here right now. Right. I'm hanging out with the best athletes in the world and genius businessmen that can teach me a lot about how to be more successful financially <laugh>. Not that I'm starving or anything, but, or
Speaker 4 02:21:04 Or about the gak for which Paul check what I mind blowing that Paul check didn't know about the Gruit. That's one <laugh> one thing I
Speaker 3 02:21:11 God kept that secret so I would meet Jerry.
Speaker 4 02:21:14 There you
Speaker 3 02:21:14 Go. Yeah. And I'm freaking glad I did cuz Jerry, you're a cool son of a bitch man. Thank you.
Speaker 0 02:21:19 Yeah, you, you are
Speaker 3 02:21:20 Too. Thanks bud. Well, you know, you watch Farm Boys or Hardworking dude, you know <laugh>. Yeah. Well, um, did you work out an offering for the listeners on the products? Is there any special discount or? Yes, there is. Okay. Well let, let us have it cuz you guys gotta try this stuff I'm telling you right now. And if you're a bit shy on the feel free, do what I did. Take a third of the bottle. Believe me. It's not gonna do anything but make you feel good but sip your way in cuz literally like, um, you know, if you break the bottle into a third, which is, you said it was two ounces. Correct. So I mean, half an ounce is enough to, to give you a nice experience, give it three or four minutes and, and you'll know for sure that this is the real deal. So what's the, uh, gift for the listeners? So, uh, Jerry, you were gonna share the, uh, the uh, uh, discount offering for the listeners?
Speaker 0 02:22:12 Yes. It's, uh, 20%
Speaker 3 02:22:13 Off. Oh, that's beautiful. Yeah. That's enough to get you going. Yes, it is. And feel free, what is the cost of feel free for the end purchaser?
Speaker 0 02:22:22 It comes in two bottle increments. Um, in two bottles are $28.
Speaker 3 02:22:26 28. So it's 14 bucks a bottle. It's like having the safest shamonic journey you could ever get for 14 bucks. It is. And you don't have to get on an airplane and fly to the Amazon and be with somebody you don't know and get wonder if you're gonna survive the experience.
Speaker 0 02:22:40 Well for most people, you know, one bottle is is funny is is right. Yeah. And it lasts. I mean the, the least amount of time I've heard anybody say is three hours. Most people say four to
Speaker 3 02:22:51 Five hours. I found four to five hours.
Speaker 0 02:22:53 So I mean that's a, that's a pretty good deal.
Speaker 3 02:22:55 It is a very good deal. I mean Christ, uh, that's what, what that be like, I don't know, haven't bought anything at Starbucks, but that's just a,
Speaker 4 02:23:03 A triple express espresso Starbucks drink, you know, it's like
Speaker 3 02:23:07 10 bucks, 10 bucks or something, or eight bucks or whatever. And I mean, what can you buy for 14 bucks that can teach you how to feel good again?
Speaker 0 02:23:15 Yeah. And like you said earlier, you know, we could create something that, you know, would be less Yeah. But it would be, you know, but
Speaker 3 02:23:23 It would be less,
Speaker 0 02:23:24 It would be less <laugh>. It'd be funny how that works. Yeah. It would be something synthetic, you know, and yeah. And just like all the other stuff that's out there.
Speaker 3 02:23:31 What an amazing gift. It's been a, a fun ride. I'm really, really proud of your products. I'm grateful that I got to be a, a person to test them. Thank you Danny. And, um, I'm just looking forward to doing more work with you guys and supporting these young athletes and helping people.
Speaker 0 02:23:49 We're uh, we're we're just getting started.
Speaker 3 02:23:51 Yeah, baby. Let's wind up
Speaker 4 02:23:53 <laugh>. The, the athletes are, you know, that we're, we're talking, you know, that we've been working with, you're obviously a big legend in our world and you know, when I drop your name that you're involved, everyone's like, whoa, that's, that's serious. Paul check
Speaker 0 02:24:08 <laugh>.
Speaker 4 02:24:08 Yeah. I'm like, yeah, we got Paul involved. They're like, no way. So
Speaker 3 02:24:12 Yeah. Well, you know, I don't get involved in much because there's usually some kind of gimmick going on, right? I, I get approached all the time, you know, I could, I could be a very rich man right now if I would've really just let my values go. But you know, I always tell my students, there's only one thing you can take with you when you die and that's what you've become. Nothing else goes with you. And the first thing that happens when you die is you are facing yourself. You're looking into the divine mirror and realizing how well you did or didn't love the rest of yourself and yourself. And to the degree that you have played games, you get to be in your game. You die into your mind <laugh>. And for some people it's a real bitch. And that's what real properly run plant medicine ceremonies do. They teach you how to die and the way you die well is you live well. So congratulations guys. We've all lived well,
Speaker 0 02:25:08 Thank
Speaker 3 02:25:09 You.
Speaker 4 02:25:09 Thank you. Appreciate you.
Speaker 3 02:25:11 You too guys. Hey, uh, we're sorry Dave couldn't be here and um, I do have, uh, Robbie Madison is, uh, coming on the podcast. So you guys will get to hear from Robbie and I'm gonna get some wild footage for, from him to put on the YouTube channel so you can see some of the most mind boggling stunts this guy does. And, um, I will be doing more with Jerry and the feel free and Botanic tonics and his GAC drinks and working with him to develop a very, very beautiful espresso for all of you. And, uh, I hope you guys have enjoyed this conversation and hope you've learned a lot. You've gotten to talk to Danny Way who is definitely one of the most successful durable athletes in the world. In fact, I'll tell that story again real quick before we go. One of my, one of the things that made me giggle my ass off, I don't know if you know about this Jerry, but this was a long time ago, but Danny was asked to enter into one of those television contests where they have athletes from different sports compete against each other. Oh no. Oh, they, they, what did they used to call those things?
Speaker 4 02:26:19 They called this the ex the Extreme Challenge.
Speaker 3 02:26:22 Extreme Challenge. They, there was a number of those shows running for a while where you had football players against the athletes and martial artists and who Sure. Who is the badass. Right. So Daddy comes back one time and he says, Paul, I went to this contest and I won it <laugh>,
Speaker 4 02:26:37 You know, that was three months after an a c l surgery and I'd been seeing you prior to that. That's wild. And I hadn't, you know, some of the events required me to run. Yes. And I hadn't, I hadn't, you know, I hadn't picked up a pace like that since I had had the surgery. So I was just like, we're gonna see what happens here, <laugh>. But thank God for the groundwork that I did leading up to that. Cuz I waited till the actual moment. I actually had to sprint my ass off Yeah. To see if my knee worked.
Speaker 3 02:27:04 I remember you told me that's when you met Lad Hamilton, right?
Speaker 4 02:27:07 Yeah. And that's, that's, yeah. And then he, you know, he was hurt his, he had, I think it was his hip at the time. Mm-hmm. <affirmative>, he was, uh, so he hosted the event. He was the guy when I showed up, I'm like, oh wait, lad's here <laugh>. Cause I was sizing up the rest of the athletes and I'm like, oh, okay, this is gonna be a tough one. Yeah. And then I found out he was hosting it and I was like, oh, great. <laugh>, <laugh>. But then I, you know, I, I competed and by the like, I think it was like the second day I, you know, I had, I had enough point spread, you know, on the, on the event that I was like, I might win this thing and there was a hundred thousand dollars on the line.
Speaker 3 02:27:40 Yeah, baby.
Speaker 4 02:27:41 So that was a very huge blessing and amazing opportunity to win a hundred grand, but what an experience. So yeah, it was
Speaker 3 02:27:50 Such, and not only that I was cracking up because who in the world would've thought that a skateboard athlete would've kicked the shit out of all these other elite athletes?
Speaker 4 02:27:57 <laugh>. So that's what led Laird to come to me and say, what's your background dude? And I go, well, you really wanna know <laugh>, you heard of Paul Czech
Speaker 3 02:28:05 <laugh>?
Speaker 4 02:28:06 He goes, no, but I wanna know more about him. And that's, that's essentially how Paul Czech and Larry Hamilton. So you're the one that introduced him.
Speaker 3 02:28:11 Yeah. Yeah. And then, uh, you know, I helped Laird a lot and he wrote about me in, in one of his books. I can't remember the title of the book, but, uh, he talked about me in there. So that was fun. So yeah. Great guys, what a fun ride. And, uh, listen, I hope you guys have enjoyed the conversation and thank you to all the sponsors. Everything you buy from the sponsors goes to supporting the planet, high quality values, organic source materials and values that are sustainable. So you know that every dollar you spend is going back to supporting Mother Earth and she needs our love right now. And hug everyone you meet, that's a different color. Hug everybody of a different race. Find out how they cook, find out how they make music. We need each other. This is time we gotta get past.
Speaker 3 02:28:58 We got way bigger issues than this whole covid thing and racism right now. We need to get rid of the lines on the map and circle the globe and, uh, share love with each other on the planet and, uh, create something sustainable. Or we got much, much bigger problems on our hands and we can even really conjure up right now. Most people haven't spent their life studying this stuff like I have. But I can say the only solution is for each of us to share something that we love to do. If you like to sing the truth, sing it. If you like to write it, write it. If you like to dance it, dance it. If you like to paint it, paint it. It's not gonna be hard. If all of us do a little bit each day of something we love, then that's a lot. And if we just sit around and wait for somebody else to fix it, then we're gonna get more of the same. So thanks for joining me. If you love the podcast, you know my rule. Share it if you didn't like it. It's our secret. <laugh>. Lots of love. See you next time. Amen. Oh,
Speaker 2 02:29:57 Thank you for listening to Living 4D with Paul Che and today's guests Jerry W. Ross and Danny Way. You can find more about Botanic Tonics online@botanictonics.com or follow them on Facebook and Instagram at Botanic tonics. You can try. Feel free for yourself and get a 20% discount by going to botanic tonics.com/products/check hyphen institute hyphen. Feel hyphen free. Follow Paul on Instagram and Twitter at Living 4d Podcast or on his YouTube podcast channel youtube.com/living 4D with Paul Check. Remember, you can watch more on paul's blog blog.com and the Check Institute's new streaming media sites com.
